Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ereğli TED Koleji

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was No consensus = keep' (11/11).--Shreshth91 12:41, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ted Collage

Non notable, "college" is spelt wrong, virtually no content. Reyk 00:16, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete No context, and yes, spelling the title wrong is a major point against. --Bachrach44 01:09, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Well I think it's spelled right, it's just from a different language (turkish?) Anyway, Turkish high school with no claim to notability. probably verifiable but only if you speak turkish. --W.marsh 01:37, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
  • comment- It's "college" not "collage". Reyk 02:23, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment Gee thanks for the spelling lesson. I meant I thought it was an Anglicization... but everything that mentions this or the turkish name is just a mirror of WP. Seems unverifiable. --W.marsh 02:42, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
      • Sorry, didn't mean to sound patronizing, I just wasn't sure what you meant. Reyk 03:03, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep It could turn out to be a notable collage--Etyheryery 03:32, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
  • WP:NOT a crystal ball. If/when it's notable, then it can have an article, just like people and bands. --Last Malthusian 11:06, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete: 1. Substub (CSD for empty). 2. Mistitled. 3. No indication of the school's (or the paste's) role, composition, accreditation. 4. No indication that the school is in any way fulfilling a unique or notable function. Honestly, this should have gone to speedy delete for being empty. Anyone voting "keep" on the contents as they are is either not reading the article or not voting on the article. Geogre 03:36, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Not quite empty enough for a speedy, I think. Besides, it's been there since last December so it probably needs to go through the process regardless of how cruddy it is. Reyk 03:54, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, nn and no attempt to claim otherwise. --Last Malthusian 11:06, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep. Useful stub which establishes what and where it is and gives alternative titles, and helps to counter systemic bias. Kappa 11:56, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
  • P.S. rename to Ted College (Eregli) or something. Kappa 12:36, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, naming a building/organization and giving only its location is NOT an article nor is it a stub. There's a difference between stubs and substubs. If we really need an article on this school, one can fill an article request so someone can write a real stub to start things off. "Amsterdam is a city in the Netherlands" isn't a valid stub either even though Amsterdam is obivously a valid subject for an article. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:31, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
  • So you would be voting to delete Coombe, Hampshire then? Although it would be a consensus keep... Kappa
    • Well, I would, personally. The idea of voting 'keep' just to run with the crowd is ridiculous and rather disturbing. Obviously people shouldn't disrupt Wikipedia if a democratic vote goes against them, but expressing a dissenting opinion is not even close to disruption. --Last Malthusian 14:18, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
      • With what is passing for personal attacks around here these days, this is a borderline personal attack. Claiming that people vote "keep" to "run with the crowd" with no evidence, impugns the integrity of individual editor in a condescending, disgusting and offensive manner which implies both that "I know better" and that "those who routinely nominate and/or vote to delete school articles" would never lower themselves to such activity.--Nicodemus75 16:12, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
    • Yes, Kappa I would. Substubs are evil, but if someone was willing to clean them up to a reasonable stub level, I'm always happy to change my vote. - Mgm|^(talk) 23:33, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Delete, nn school. Dottore So 12:49, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Is there any evidence that this school exists and is accredited? Absent that, delete. Any arguments about notability aside, Wikipedia is not in the business of documenting things or ideas that might exist. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 12:56, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Can't get too many hits in English but it's been mentioned in the Turkish Daily News [1] so it does appear to exist. Unfortunately their website [http:www.tedkdzeregli.k12.tr] is under construction. Kappa 13:04, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
    • Looking at that, my vote stands. I can't see that as enough to build an encyclopedia article upon. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 13:11, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
      • Yeah I guess we should just restrict ourselves to stuff that googles well in english and forget about building a global encyclopedia. Kappa 13:22, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
        • Google isn't the be-all and end-all of reference, we both know that. That said, unless someone comes up with some solid sources, this does need to be deleted. Wikipedia is absolutely not in the practice of having articles on things that could be verifiable. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 13:27, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
          • How is it not verifiable? It's mentioned in a newspaper, it's listed with a whole bunch of other Ted Colleges here [2], it has an alumni website [3], it's real school. We don't kill African villages just because we can't write featured articles about them. Kappa 13:41, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
            • Those are more solid. We do kill articles we can't verify; if someone wrote a one-liner about an African village and that couldn't be substantiated, then yes, it would be deleted. Please shelve the systemic bias accusations, as I'm really only interested in enforcing WP:V, which is one of Wikipedia's two guiding principles. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 13:49, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
              • Here you go: Bakal, Mali. See if you can kill that, or consider interpreting WP:V in a way that doesn't increase WP:BIAS. Kappa 14:04, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
                • Uh, okay. Redirected to Gao (which can clearly absorb it), plus a little bit of context. I'm not sure what your point is. (Of course, any time you want to add information to Wikipedia to prove me wrong somehow, feel free. :D ) - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 14:13, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Hm. It seems TED stands for "Türk Eğitim Derneği," which is the name of Turkish Educational Association[4], whatever that is. I don't think there's a single TED College in the same way there's a George Washington University; I think that TED colleges may be schools accredited by this program or board. For example, look at this bio; it refers to the person going to "TED Ankara Koleji". I think we should delete this article, since the information contained therein is misleading, and see if we can't find a Turkish speaker to help the school Wikiproject make a proper article about the Türk Eğitim Derneği. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 13:45, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment: It seems slightly strange that there are so few voices arguing to keep an article on a school. Where are all the inclusionists today? That said, if A Man In Black's surmise immediately above is accurate, then this article needs cleaning up to more accurately reflect the subject-matter, which would certainly deserve an article. — Haeleth Talk 13:52, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Give us a chance, some of us just woke up for Heaven's sake.--Nicodemus75 16:12, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Well, considering the information here would not be a start on this article, and that this name isn't applicable, I don't think there's anything here worth saving. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 13:54, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and expand into an article about the TED College system (?) or about a specific TED College in a specific area. Hipocrite - «Talk» 14:16, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep this verifiable high school in Turkey. Articles such as this indeed help to counter systemic bias in English Wikipedia.--Nicodemus75 16:12, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, nn Avalon 16:13, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom.Gator(talk) 16:21, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete this... College? Middle-to-High school? Name for a school system badly miswritten into an article about a non-existant individual school? Not enough verifiable information to even pin down what we're talking about, much less establish notability. --Aquillion 17:32, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete for now. Not enough verifiable information in the article. Gateman1997 18:01, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and let us not attack those who speak English as a second language, it is completely uncalled for and does not help Wikipedia in any way. Silensor 19:31, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
  • As for verifiability concerns, there are over 653 hits for this school which are not Wikipedia mirrors. [5] Silensor 19:34, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Never heard of this place so it is non-notable and should not be included. Gatecrasher 19:50, 14 November 2005 (UTC) ^{This vote is the 3rd edit by User:Gatecrasher}
  • This is an obvious sock puppet account. All edits are to AFD and this particular vote is the user's third edit. [6] Can a developer please issue a sock check against this account? Silensor 20:13, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
  • ...that's not what non-notable means at all, Gatecrasher. Nobody is saying that things should be deleted just because so-and-so hasn't heard of it, and I don't see that as a very practical standard to hold any article up to. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 19:53, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and expand, as per wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep. Carioca 20:08, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• keep please this high school is verifiable and important too Yuckfoo 00:33, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
  • If it is then please put some verifiable info in the article. Because right now the article has no cited sources or links.Gateman1997 01:25, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and a link to the Türk Eğitim Derneği website has been added which makes several references to this school, so it is verifiable. [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] Unfortunately these pages are not in a language I understand. Yamaguchi先生 15:19, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, seems like it verifiably exists. Christopher Parham [[User_talk:Christopherparham|(talk)]] 16:09, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. This is an encyclopedia, not a directory. Pilatus 17:37, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and allow for organic growth. Bahn Mi 05:07, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. It's what TED would have wanted. —RaD Man (talk) 10:01, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Easily passes notability test : if this school were American/English and not Turkish, there would be 100x as many Google hits / Internet references. Searching for the very specific "Türk Eğitim Derneği" Ereğli gives 278 hits, which is pretty impressive in context. Turnstep 03:27, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.