Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Epsilon Sigma Alpha

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was kept consensus to keep Pegasus1138^{Talk | Contribs | Email} ---- 21:27, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Epsilon Sigma Alpha

No evidence that this group meets WP:ORG or other notability criteria. Additionally, no sources provided, so fails WP:V. Stifle (talk) 21:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been added to the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities page. - Alphachimp ^talk 23:17, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep to quote WP:ORG (and risk accusations of Wikilawyering, I'm really sorry about that)): "Organizations are usually notable if the scope of activities are national or international in scale and information can be verified by a third party source. Third party source: [1]. There are 1000 chapters, it is international. I can't see this organization meeting the criteria in any way. Alphachimp ^talk 23:21, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

  Comment. Generally, I deal with the no sources thing by placing the {{unreferenced}} template at the top of the page. I have appended that tag to the article. Alphachimp ^talk 23:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

  Comment. It was already there. Sorry to keep spamming this AfD. =). Alphachimp ^talk 00:12, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

• KEEP -- I am the primary author of this brief article. As above: "Organizations are usually notable if the scope of activities are national or international in scale and information can be verified by a third party source. ESA is a long standing, active organization which involves thousands of women. It has long been associated in charitable activities with the Lion's Club. If you want sources to prove its existance, the organization produces a written newletter called the "Jonquil" and has been referenced in newspaper articles in association with St. Jude's hospital and charitable efforts. WBardwin 01:12, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
• 1000 chapters? If that's verified, this is an obvious speedy keep once the article is fixed. The article needs sourcing, badly, and cleanup. Keep. I will userify on request to allow editors in good standing to continue work if it is deleted. ++Lar: t/c 03:06, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn college club. -- GWO

I'm afraid you are mistaken. ESA is not and has never been a college club but is a charitable fundraising organization/service club for adult women. WBardwin 19:30, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

My bad. Appreciate the polite correction. Keep. -- GWO

I say KEEP! This organization is just as real and notable as Girl SCouts, Phi Mu Fraternity, Lions Club or Sigma Chi. Maybe it needs some clean up, but the article is very valuable. Believe it or not there ARE other national/international organizations out there. A simple visit to their website or an email to Annie Greengrass, Director of Expansion would clear all this up. There are many people who like to get rid of any "competition" in the Greek world and do not like others learning about these non-college groups.

Actually I think those who want to delete this group are not aware of (or at least not very involved in)the Greek world and that’s part of the problem. Most Greeks would recognize that this group is in no way even related to them I’m sure quite a few college Greeks are also members of ESA. To compare it to Sigma Chi or Alpha Chi Omega is like comparing the Red Cross to State Farm Insurance In any case ESA does not compete with Fraternities and Sororities and as has been noted is not even a College club. It should be re-classified as a charitable service organization like Key Club or the Rotary Club and then the article cleaned up and laid out according to the templates of those organizations. And once again I must emphatically say Keep this article --Trey 22:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Trey-I respectfully disagree with your discrition of the group. But I do agree this article should be kept. While ESA is not a traditional college sorority, it IS an international sorority! It is every bit as active, viable and important as any other fraternity or sorority. Double membership in ESA and a college group does not change this. And while ESA is not a traditional college sorority, they ARE on some college campuses. This can be easily verified on their website as well. I believe it should stay under the category of fraternity and sorority. Just because it doesn't conform to what the media has deemd a stereotypical GLO, that doesn't make it wrong. In Indiana there are over TWENTY groups like this are national sororities, but people do not hear about them all the time because they are not collegiate. They are still sororities. And they ARE in competition on some campuses. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jackjackattack (talk • contribs).

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.