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Also nominating Jonathan Minnock, Shane Bradley, David Bell (footballer), Anthony Gorman, Matthew Crossan, Tom Mohan, Marc Mukendi, Fergal Harkin. All of these are footballers who play or have played for Finn Harps F.C., a non-professional Irish club. None of them have played at professional level. Oldelpaso 22:52, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

• • Comment - "a non-professional Irish club" There are plenty of SEMI PROFESSIONAL clubs who are deemed notable. For example Shamrock Rovers and many of the Irish teams. As the Wikiproject on football says, create articles on football clubs of all nations. These articles are helpful to those in Ireland. Ryannus 19:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
• This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. Oldelpaso 23:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. HornetMike 00:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --Angelo 01:47, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete All per nom Akihabara 02:19, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Jonathan Minnock (debut against Derry City F.C. in 1995 proves top-flight appearance in the League of Ireland), keep David Bell (footballer) (played for St. Patrick's Athletic), keep Anthony Gorman (played for Linfield F.C., top-flight club in the Irish League) and keep Fergal Harkin (played for Leicester City FC). In fact, I am inclined to keep all because all have played in the first (before the club's relegation in 2005) or second tier in the League of Ireland, but if this fails, keep these players for the aforementioned reasons. --Pkchan 03:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep all as they have all played in or are currently playing in the national League of Ireland. They all appear regularly on Irish television (TV3 (Ireland)), Highland Radio and in the national and local press. Especially keep the following:

• Marc Mukendi - is on loan from Derry City, who are a full-time club in the Premier Division. He has also represented Ireland at under-19 level.
• Fergal Harkin- currently plays in the Premier Division with Bohemian FC and previously played for Leicester City FC, whilst later representing Finn Harps in the Premier Division.
• Tom Mohan - played for both Finn Harps and Derry City FC in the Premier Division.
• Jonathan Minnock - spent a season at Shelbourne FC (of the Premier Division) and has also represented Finn Harps in the same division.
• Eloka Asokuh - represented his national team at youth level in the FIFA U-17 World Cup, which he also won, and played in the same side as Nwankwo Kanu.
• David Bell (footballer) and Anthony Gorman - for reasons stated above, and the fact that Gorman was the team's manager until a few weeks ago.

These examples undoubtedly demonstrate notability if simply playing in the First Division of the League of Ireland does not suffice, which would astonish me if it didn't. There are numerous Irish GAA players with articles as they are of notable character, yet they have never played professionally for their counties as the GAA intentionally remains as an amateur organisation in order to maintain the spirit or idea of players playing for the love of the game rather than for money.--HarpsBoy 07:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep all Articles are verifiable, and I can recall Finn Harps playing in the UEFA Cup, and were until recently in the top flight in Ireland. Catchpole 07:53, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep

The Wikiproject on football states, write articles on all notable players in each country. These players are deemed notable. Living in Ireland and fervently following the football season I know personally that these players are actual players and certainly meet the notability requirments. Again, people who nominate such articles are, for me the scourge of this site, possibly more so than Trolls. Ryannus 19:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Overlooking the personal attack, I should probably expand on my reasons for nomination. WP:BIO regards as notable "Sportspeople who have played in a fully professional league". As far as I am aware, the top division of the Football League of Ireland is not fully professional. Some of the bigger teams are professional, but the league as a whole is not fully professional. The notability of the clubs is not in question; this AfD is concerned solely with players. Media coverage regarding some of these players is mentioned above. If verifiable sources were cited within these articles to establish notability beyond doubt, then I would be happy to withdraw some or all of these nominations.

With regards to some points made by others above:

• Finn Harps have played in the UEFA Cup, but in the 1970s. None of these players have played in European competition as far as I have been able to ascertain.
• Fergal Harkin did not play make any appearances for the Leicester first team.
• Comparisons to Gaelic football are irrelevant, the best Irish football (soccer) players play professionally. Besides, WP:BIO makes specific provision for mainly amateur sports. Oldelpaso 18:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)