Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elizabeth Haldane

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was WITHDRAWN. Not gonna get into the mess that led to this AFD, but nobody wants this deleted now, so kept it shall be. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:31, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elizabeth Haldane

Non notable. The only notability criteria provided is that the subject is sister of someone and daughter of someone. --Ragib 19:16, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

In light of the information establishing her notability, I withdraw the nomination. However, I'd like to point out that a request for notability is not subject to constant, unexplained reverts and reason for launching personal attacks against the nominator, and also a vaguely worded link which doesn't provide any info doesn't establish the notability of a person. Thanks. --Ragib 01:53, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete: as nominator. --Ragib 19:16, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Vanity page!!! (oh yeah, she's been dead 70 years). Oh and she has an entry in Britannica?. Sorry, not good enough for round here then. Someone needs whacking with a cluestick. — Dunc|☺ 19:20, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: I tagged it requesting the original author Duncharris (talk • contribs) to provide reasons of notability. Rather, the user reverted the tag 3 times, and replied sarcastically to the request on his talk page. The author is not willing to provide any justification of notability at the time of nomination, rather than ad hominem comments. --Ragib 19:23, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment you put this on here despite being shown the above link to Britannica. That's vandalism in my book. (originally I applied Hanlon's Razor, but I think someone has a grudge). So speedy keep it is then, and make that a big cluestick. — Dunc|☺ 19:32, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep - bad faith nom resulting from a disagreement over article tagging. The article was nominated for deletion after a third party pointed out that she has an EB article [1]. Guettarda 19:42, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep bad faith nomination. Also, she is notable for among other reasons being the first female justice of the peace in Scotland. JoshuaZ 20:29, 3 April 2006 (UTC) I'm not compeltely that this was bad faith, so I am just going to invoke WP:AGF. JoshuaZ 20:54, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

• Fine, if she is the first female justice, add that link. I nominated the article based on this version, and I fully stand by my nomination. WP:V fully states that (WP:V#Burden_of_evidence) The burden of evidence lies with the editors who have made an edit or wish an edit to remain. Editors should therefore provide references. Also, Any unsourced material may be challenged. I challenged it, and wasn't satisfied with notability, and hence nominated it here. If you add further verifiable references to the notability, my position is subject to change. Thanks. --Ragib 20:42, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

You nominated the article after the link to the EB article was provided. You nominated this article for deletion despite having this information - it was with that information that you asserted non-notability. If you made the nomination in good faith, you are asserting that this fails to meet the standard of notability. Since you had this information when the nomination was made, either she is still non-notable with this additional information, or the nomination was made in bad faith. Guettarda 01:37, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

What exactly does the link in question show?

The younger sister of the statesman Richard Burdon Haldane and the physiologist John Scott Haldane, she was educated privately. For much of her adult life she served on various advisory and regulatory boards for nursing. Influenced by the English housing reformer Octavia Hill,.

What notability or additional information does it show? I read this and was not convinced of any additional notability issue, and hence made the AfD nomination. How does having the link make my nomination "bad faith"? I agree that with the information (first women J.P.) later added by JoshuaZ (talk • contribs) establishes notability, and on that point, I'm happy to remove the AfD nomination, but in now way does the EB link establish her notability. Thanks. --Ragib 01:48, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

• keep interesting, and some verifiable. For great justice. 00:05, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. First female JP in Scotland and reformer [2] seems notable enough.--Dakota ~ ° 01:39, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
• Week Keep There’s probably thousands of these turn of the century society type biographies. A lot of them come from Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.