Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Effective Microorganisms

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 00:02, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Effective Microorganisms

• Advertising. Unsubstantiated claims. NPOV. SPAM? I'm really unsure what to do about this article. Much of the material is pseudoscientific. No independant, peer-reviewed publications were found (the 700 supplied are by the people selling the products, or are not in scientific journals). I'm for deleteing (or at the very least very major rewriting) this article. MidgleyDJ 01:56, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Most likely Spam, only even the slightest chance it is sufficiently notable. Mister.Manticore 02:41, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
• Effective Deletion spamvertisement. NTK 03:36, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
• Macrodeletion, Effective immediately per above --Richard 06:06, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
• Effective delete - spammy original research. MER-C 08:22, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. -- Asuasu1 18:05, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete...snake oil, anyone? Byrgenwulf 18:48, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
• "Only AUTHENTIC EM has the EM logo. EM and 'Effective Microorganisms' are trademarked in the United States. Beware of other products claiming to be EM. If the bottle you buy does not say 'Effective Microorganisms', such as 'Efficient Microbes', then it is NOT authentic EM." If the vote you read does not say delete, then it is not authentic vote. Anville 20:05, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete spam, snake oil and bologna.--Shella * 22:05, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, unless independent evidence of notability can be produced. The current version seems wholly promotional. Espresso Addict 22:15, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep/Rewrite, Wikipedia permits entries for Network Marketing companies and many of them have been called scams, snake oil and balogna too. The science of effective microorganisms works as described. What confirmation do you need? Urbanwild 08:25, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment This appears to be an account created for the sole purpose of editing pages about Effective Microorganisms [1] Byrgenwulf 08:35, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

• Response I have many interests of which EM is only one. I have not created an ID until recently. If you can re-write the article so it doesn't look like spam, I would welcome it. I repeat: The science of effective microorganisms works as described. What confirmation do you need? Urbanwild 08:50, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

• Let's see if we can get it into shape first. I say don't delete it - at least, not yet. As it stands, it is spam, but the topic is quite interesting and it could be re-written to take most of the blatant advertising. I'm going to do this now, and remove the unsubstatiated claims - if there's anything left to work with once that's done, I say the article should stay. Gruffle Gaw 11:07, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment PubMed shows 11 articles on "effective microorganisms". It's interesting to note that these arent the best journals in their respective fields. The claims in the wikipedia article (in my experience) would warrant publications in very good journals. It speaks to me of smoke and mirrors. MidgleyDJ 11:28, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

• I'm not experienced with PubMed, but I only found one, and not used in the sense of this article. Did you check that these articles were about the same thing or whether they simply contained the string "effective microorganisms"? NTK 00:55, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.