Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Drinking fives (relist nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:46, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Drinking fives

One of the unsourced, and at this time externally unverifiable drinking game articles listed in a mass deletion earlier today (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Circle of Death (drinking game)) Per the closing statement of this aborted mass-nomination, this is an individual relist of the article. Please consider the article on its own merits, and not on the fact that many articles of this type have been nominated today -- Saberwyn 11:11, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

• Even though it's a rubbish game, I'll vote Keep. Adding a request for verifiable sources to this article page would be a good way to start this process. Not having verification isn't an automatic deletion criterion, being unverifiable is - an important distinction. Before nominating an article for deletion, shouldn't the nominator at least research the article themselves, adding the sources if possible? I haven't tackled notability as this is not the reason given for nomination, but all drinking game are cultural memes that have lasted in many cases for centuries and appear in various places in popular literature etc. Also, the category listing didn't work because this sort of leg-work needs to be done on each drinking game article in turn. If some are verifiable and considered encyclopedic material by other editors, then the category delete is null and void. Vizjim 11:53, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
  • My objection to this process stands, but I've checked out this specific article more thoroughly and it does indeed look like codswallop. Delete. Vizjim 10:37, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, likely listed in the BarMeister's Big Book of Drinking Games, and with 250+ Amazon.com drinking game books listed... --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 14:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

• Strong delete per nom. "Likely listed?" Do you actually know it is, or do you presume it must be? For my own part, I just wasted twenty minutes Googling every possible iteration of "Fives", "Claw", "Drinking games" and even "Edinburgh" and "Scotland" and found not a single hit referencing this game. WP:NOTMUISOD still applies, I would imagine, even to drinking games. RGTraynor 20:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete See above Checkerpaw 20:31, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete WP:NOT and rules again. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:34, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. There's no proof it's "widely played throughout Scotland." Brian G. Crawford 23:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
  • To both of you: so fix it! --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 00:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete; no real evidence of existence.--Prosfilaes 04:37, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn drinking game. Eusebeus 02:57, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Made up in school. -- GWO
• delete per above. Dspserpico 18:49, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.