Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Doghouse Comics

This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page, if it exists; or after the end of this archived section. The result of the debate was delete all articles. FCYTravis 5 July 2005 08:33 (UTC)

[edit] Doghouse Comics, User:IceKeyHunter (neé Kris Montello), Cloud109, and John Flanagan

I couldn't find any significant evidence that this site is important enough to justify our consideration. The redirect at IceKeyHunter is also within the purview of this VfD, but since it's a redirect I'm not going to list it in the VfD itself. Kelly Martin 02:27, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

I'm adding Cloud109 and John Flanagan to this VfD since they're all related. Kelly Martin 02:34, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

• But all other webcomics have some sort of page. You may delete Kris Montello, but keep Doghouse Comics up. The only reason I see for it to be deleted is that it gives information on something that isn't yet popular. However, it gives much more information than some webcomic-related articles I've seen, popular or not. Forgive me if this is not how these things are debated, I am new. --IceKeyHunter 02:31, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • There's nothing to forgive. Your discussion style is fine. If you can explain how your web comic currently satisfies the criteria at Wikipedia:WikiProject Webcomics/Notability and inclusion guidelines, you can make a good argument for keeping an article on it. Uncle G 19:04, 2005 Jun 20 (UTC)
• Comment - IceKeyHunter, please do not remove VfD messages. -- Jonel | Speak 02:36, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Kris Montello, IceKeyHunter, Cloud109, and John Flanagan, but keep Doghouse Comics. Also, Jonel, sorry about that. it was a lame attempt to delete it myself. Won't happen again. --IceKeyHunter 02:38, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Not a problem - it's fairly common to think that blanking a page will delete it, but that's not actually what happens. It takes an administrator to actually delete a page (that is, I can't delete it either). Now you know :) Happy editing! -- Jonel | Speak 02:42, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete them all, not notable. Cleduc 03:54, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete this. Google low to no results. This is an advertisement for somebody's hobby. This is meant to be an 'Encyclopedia' not some catolog of what middle america does in thier spare time--0001 03:04, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Doghouse Comics, Merge the others. Andrew pmk 03:09, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete all, non notable (gone to the doghouse). JamesBurns 07:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• I just don't see what makes Doghouse Comics any different from other webcomic articles. Please explain this to me. --IceKeyHunter 14:52, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Oh yeah, also, while we may not be on Google, (we were for a while, dunno what happened) we're one of the first things that come up if you use Yahoo Search. --IceKeyHunter 15:04, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Doghouse Comics, delete the rest. --Cloud109 15:15, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• You must also keep in mind, if you deleted Doghouse Comics, we wouldn't be able to recreate the page if DHC ever became 'popular' enough to be on the same level as all the other webcomics that have articles. --IceKeyHunter 15:52, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Doghouse Comics, but get rid of the rest. They aren't necessary and contain little information. However, like previously stated, many other comics have a page such as this, and the information provided could be useful, if not now, at least in future times. It seems somewhat unfair to say that just because it isn't as well known as other comics, doesn't mean it can't be. --Jackoutofthebox 17:19, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• In the specific case of Kris Montello: Since the user has made other contributions to Wikipedia, Userfy to User:IceKeyHunter (and Delete the redirect at IceKeyHunter). No vote on any of the other articles. Uncle G 19:04, 2005 Jun 20 (UTC)
  • In fact, given that (from the above discussion) User:IceKeyHunter xyrself doesn't want this page in the main namespace, I've taken the liberty of speedily userfying it. User:IceKeyHunter, it's your choice whether to retain your article about yourself as your user page. User:Cloud109 has, in contrast, made no contributions to Wikipedia. Other Wikipedians may differ, but I don't support userfication in such circumstances. My vote is thus revised:
    • Allow User:IceKeyHunter to decide about User:IceKeyHunter
    • Speedy delete the redirect that I just made at Kris Montello
    • Speedy delete (no userfication) Cloud109, IceKeyHunter, and John Flanagan by the above request of their author and sole significant editor
    • No vote on Doghouse Comics
  • Uncle G 19:26, 2005 Jun 20 (UTC)

• You can keep it that way (userfied), I don't care, and I can always change it. --IceKeyHunter 19:32, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Doghouse Comics: non-notable webcomic, does not meet Wikipedia:WikiProject Webcomics/Notability and inclusion guidelines. Userfy John Flanagan to User:Cloud109 if he intends to contribute, otherwise delete; delete Cloud109. — Gwalla | Talk 20:10, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Ah, but, the Doghouse Comics article is much more in-depth and has more information than many other webcomic pages. And you must also take into consdieration that it is actually a collection of many webcomics, and contains cartoons and games, one of which won an award on Newgrounds.

If popularity and the overall need of the article, and not the information that is presented itself, is what matters, what happens if DHC becomes very popular? It's entirely possible for it to happen in the very near future.

If you must delete it, allow me to recreate it in the future when and if it meets your criteria. But, for now, I think keeping benefits me, as I won't have to recreate it in the future, and I can explain what DHC is simply by linking them to the article (I've had trouble with this in the past, as it is an unusual webcomic) and it's just easier in general.

You really have me beat with those Guidelines, I had no idea they existed. But I really hope you consider the work that was put in. You can't deny that Doghouse Comics has more information than some other webcomic pages, and that the site itself has potential.

In conclusion, while I don't think there is need to delete it, if you HAVE TO, allow me to create it again in the future when it meets your criteria. Keep in mind, if that's the case, why delete it in the first place? If the whole thing fails, I'll ask you to delete it now. For now, keep it.

(Sorry for the length, I tend to rant and repeat myself a lot when I argue). --IceKeyHunter 20:26, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Delete anything that can't be userfied. Icekeyhunter, deletion is not permanent - infact, what you ask is what we ask all the time: Come back When You're Famous. humblefool® 22:45, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

delete doghouse comics because they get 60 hits on google Yuckfoo 22:03, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• comment there are (at least) two notable John Flanagans - one is a British tv writer, and the other a British actor. A John Flanagan disambig page may be required at John Flanagan. --TimPope 19:15, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be placed on a related article talk page, if one exists; in an undeletion request, if it does not; or below this section.