Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Derek and Drew Riker

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Please note that group nominations are strongly discouraged as it over complicates the consensus achievement process. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 09:44, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Derek and Drew Riker

Except for The Amazing Race they are not notable. Even the creator thought that. Otherwise, he/she wouldn't have combined the two. TeckWiz is 12 yrs old^TalkContribs_{# of Edits} 19:43, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I am also nominating the following related pages because these contestants aren't notable outside the show either:

• Chip Arndt
• Kendra Bentley
• Fred Holliday

• Delete all They are not notable for anything other than being on this reality show, and previous AfD's have made it clear than reality show contestants are not-notable if the show is the onlything they are known for. TJ Spyke 20:04, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Chip Arndt-- notable for relationship with Reichen and for gay activism, no opinion on others.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.37.218.5 (talk • contribs).
• Keep all, noted reality contestents. --badlydrawnjeff talk 13:34, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Not notable. The essence of evanescence. Edison 21:20, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep all; nearly all reality show winners have their own page; why them? Both articles are stubs, anyway. Ohyeahmormons 21:05, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

The Rikers aren't winners. TeckWiz is 12 yrs old^TalkContribs_{# of Edits} 20:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep all; reality show winners are fixtures in our popular culture. Not all of them are celebrities in the sense of being a name most people would recognize, but that does not mean they are not known to many millions of people. In Chip Arndt's case, though, he has legitimate celebrity in the gay community and has used that celebrity consistently to raise money for gay causes even though several years have passed since his win on the Amazing Race. He is still able to make a living as a public speaker. --Mileage 00:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

The Rikers aren't winners. TeckWiz is 12 yrs old^TalkContribs_{# of Edits} 20:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete the Rikers, weak delete on Bentley and Holliday, and keep Arndt. The Rikers have no claim to fame other than the fact that they were contestants on a game show. Bentley and Holliday actually won, which may make them notable enough. Arndt has been the subject of "non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the person" per WP:BIO. (The Advocate cover article, for example, and I suspect others.) eaolson 01:17, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep the Rikers, no opinion on the others. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:32, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Arndt, Weak Keep and Comment on the Riker Twins. That there is one article for the two of them bears no relevance on their notability. People largely known specifically with other people and Twins are often listed in a single article. Very Weak Keep for Freddie and Kendra but mostly because I'm a TAR fan (even thought I didn't much like them). Otto4711 03:27, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.