Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dennis Stamp

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The result was Delete. (aeropagitica) 11:26, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dennis Stamp

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The subject of the entry in question is only notable for a brief appearance in the "Beyond the Mat" documentary and Fancruft that has sprung up in the past several months. Seeing as how the page seems to solely exist for this purpose, and that his work alone would not be notable enough to justify an entry, I think it should be considered for deletion. Thoughts? Deputy Marshall 22:43, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - Not notable. The definition of fan cruft. Jazzy joe 22:47, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - quite non-notable, unless we count him working as a referee for a match involving two household names as notable, and I don't, personally. It's possible his involvement in the documentary pushes him up a bit - but it doesn't look like he was a major part of that either. Tony Fox (arf!) 22:57, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: Not sure if it means anything, but he seems to have a lot of stuff on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gOJkXsBFE8. Google is showing about a thousand hits. Aplomado ^talk 23:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• Don't Delete - I don't see why knowledge, awareness, education and enlightenment should fall into the clumsy hands of a few internet dorks who call themselves 'editors'. Who are you to decide who should have an entry or not. Over 1000 Google mentions, and a stream of YouTube videos makes it very probable that someone somewhere will come to Wikipedia with the aim of learning more about Dennis Stamp.
  
• The fact that Wikipedia will not have any mention of him will damage the integrity and depth of the resource. It stays. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.114.247.64 (talk • contribs) 23:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I think we should let some more dorks decide before you lay down that commandment. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 23:39, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
    • I'm sorry but until one of you will tell me what makes your opinions and judgements so much more valid than mine (beyond the easily attained 'Editor' title that you possess), perhaps I'll be willing to share with your sentiments. Your opinions are not good and final. You have a moral and educational duty to the public. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.114.247.64 (talk • contribs) 23:41, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
      • Will all due respect and civility, if you're looking for a place that accepts just any information that's thrown at it, try Uncyclopedia or Urban Dictionary. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 23:42, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
        • Actually, Uncyclopedia only wants stuff that is funny. Uncle G 00:04, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
        • Dennis Stamp is a former wrestling tag champion, a well respected journeyman and local legend in Amarillo: http://amarillo.com/images/112003/7296_512.jpg. He is a memorable part of Beyond The Mat and deserves recognition in a public encyclopedia. If individual Star Wars characers and TV personas merit an entry, so does Stamp. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.114.247.64 (talk • contribs) 23:45, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
          • If you can please give some citations proving he's notable outside of Amarillo, the article will stay. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 23:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
  • And seriously, don't take this thing so personally -- tons and tons of articles get AFD'd. It's just a discussion process. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 23:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete One small movie credit and one minor documentary appearance doesn't quite fulfill WP:BIO. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 23:47, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

re: WP BIO; "This guideline is not Wikipedia policy". You, JAmie, are not WIKIPEDIA. Your opinion is not policy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.114.247.64 (talk • contribs) 23:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

You're absolutely right. That's why this is a deletion discussion, versus a unilateral speedy deletion. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 00:04, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Delete as non-notable. TJ Spyke 23:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete unless someone can better support notability. The article may say it all, "He never was able to main event . . . ." :) Dlohcierekim 23:48, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• Virgil, Iron Mike Sharp and Paul Roma never main evented either, but they are all represented. I see local Liverpool legend Pete Price as a page too. Not well known outside Liverpool. Should he go too? The hypocrisy and double standards are sickening. The man is a local hero to his hometown, has appeared in a critically applauded movie, was a former wrestling champion and has a strong cult following. What more does he need to merit some acknowledgement from a bunch of stubborn, hypocritical and narrow minded editors? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.114.247.64 (talk • contribs) 23:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Take it easy. If he's has notable as you say he is, find us some sources that say so and we can keep the article. Calling everyone names isn't going to get the article kept. Aplomado ^talk 00:03, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
  • In order to have an article, verifiable, reliable sources must be cited to show that he meets the criteria for inclusion. Very broadly speaking, people must be at least nationally notable; also just because other people have articles does not mean that Mr Stamp should have - it may be that they are more notable or it might be that their articles should also be deleted. Thryduulf 00:02, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Actually, it is the article that must be verifiable, not the sources. Uncle G 00:05, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nothing in the article shows that he is notable. Thryduulf
• Delete, non-notable. - Chadbryant 01:13, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Other than his minor role in Beyond the Mat, there isn't any other major things he has done. Duo02 *Shout here!** 02:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Now I'm being censored. Freedom of Speech. First Amendment. These fascists are ruining this site, and this great nation. LIBERTY FOR STAMP!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.114.247.64 (talk • contribs).

Do us all a favour and go read the bit about 'no personal attacks', please, which explains why you were reverted. Then you might consider going to read things like WP:BIO, the verifiability guidelines, things like that. Afterwards, maybe you can find some reliable sources to put into the article, instead of swearing at people. Tony Fox (arf!) 05:03, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. There needs to be a line drawn somewhere when it comes to wrestlers. Minor wrestlers like Dennis Stamp don't belong on this Wikipedia. Put it on a wrestling wiki, and leave it there. RobJ1981 03:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete per all policy and guideline based recommendations above. Fails WP:BIO. Oh yeah, WP:NOT an experiment in democracy, so that argument isn't going to sway anyone. --Kinu ^t/_c 05:04, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Delete. I think he was a somewhat notable mid-carder in the 70s around the florida territories, but it is hard to find this info out. If more info can be found about his wrestling career during his prime (I assume 1960s/1970s) then I would lean toward a keep vote. Renosecond 06:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per the dorks above. He appears to be in the second/third division on both the wrestling and movie actor counts. Ohconfucius 07:13, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete not at all notable. The role in Beyond the Mat falls into the realm of extra - got about a minute of camera time if I recall correctly and non-notable referees aren't notable. No other verified claims of notability. MLA 09:16, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to Beyond the Mat; so far as I can tell, Stamp's only real notability comes from his appearance in that film. --HBK|Talk 19:38, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Dennis is actually quite a bit more important to the wrestling community than most of the wrestling community will give him credit. I'm slightly ashamed of how Beyond the Mat showed Stamp, they did little more than mock him. - NickSentowski 17:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: Can you provide any reliable sources indicating the importance to the domain of wrestling? --Kinu ^t/_c 05:16, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

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