Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Prophet

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Mailer Diablo 15:45, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] David Prophet

I feel he fails to meet notability as just a Forumula One driver who never scored any points and was only in two races. tv316 11:00, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Racers at the Formula One level are notable. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 11:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Starblind. Mangojuice^talk 11:45, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Formula one drivers are definitely notable. --Srikeit^{(talk ¦ ✉)} 11:58, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, top level sportsperson, and even minor F1 drivers inevitably have a bunch of trophies behind them from other classifications. I can't work out what the table on this page is supposed to show though. Deizio talk 14:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
  • It would appear from my reading of the table that his two races came in different seasons. Row 1 is season 1963, where he raced for Brabham in the last race of the season, South Africa. In 1965 again Brabham, again South Africa, but it was race 1. The other cells are the other races of those seasons, in which he didn't race - so, they're not wikilinked. --kingboyk 06:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

• That's what I figured, but it doesn't make much sense to have the non-raced races in black. The layout of Pedro de la Rosa's table is slightly better, but a list showing actual races and points won would be better. Deizio talk 09:26, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Keep Fails to meet notability? ALL Formula One drivers are notable as they belong to the elite class of racing drivers. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 14:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Some specific reasons from WP:BIO:
  • Has the person made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in the specific field? (criteria for deceased people) NO
  • Will the article ever be more than a stub? Could the perfect article be written on this subject? NO (what more could you say about him?)
  • In 100 years time will anyone without a direct connection to the individual find the article useful? NO

Regarding the "all F1 drivers are notable" comments above... where was that decided? I see no purpose for this article's existence. --JerryOrr 17:48, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

• • "Sportspeople who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in an individual professional sport, or at the highest level in mainly amateur sports, including college sports in the United States. Articles about first team squad members who have not made a first team appearance may also be appropriate, but only if the individual is at a club of sufficient stature that most members of its squad already have articles." Keep. TimBentley (talk) 19:09, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment the paragraph you just quoted is in the section for People still alive. Though I admittedly quoted some of those myself, it was mainly for the purpose of emphasizing that he might not be notable even if alive. It appears he would be, but as he is deceased, I'm not sure that those standards apply. I'll leave my delete vote until educated otherwise. --JerryOrr 19:35, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment, I think the need to not start removing once notable people when they die overrides the need to consider people in entirely different ways depending on the regularity of their breathing, so I'm calling this a flaw in the guidelines and sticking with the view that all top-level sportspeople are notable. I bet a lot could be uncovered about his career in lower levels of racing, F1 drivers don't (didn't) just get parachuted into their cars from nowhere. Deizio talk 20:06, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment I'm of course not implying that the second he dies, he is transferred from notable to non-notable. However, he has been dead for 25 years (well before the creation of Wikipedia, and not too long after the creation of me), and the most recent of his two minor contributions to F1 racing was in 1965. I think the idea behind having stricter rules for deceased persons may have been that if they hadn't made a significant contribution in their field during their lifetime, the opportunity has passed (whereas someone still alive could still make a greater contribution). Of course, that's all speculation, as I have absolutely no idea what the intent was behind the guidelines. Whatever, it looks like the consensus will be a keep anyway. Something to think about, though... --JerryOrr 20:59, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete or merge with Brabham (maybe a chronological section of drivers can be added). Agree with JerryOrr. --P199 18:05, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as per WP:BIO. Participants in Formula One have generally come up through the ranks in other levels of professional motor sport and so this can be added. For example, Prophet was a regular participant in British motor racing events of the period and this could be added to the article. Capitalistroadster 20:22, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Andrew Lenahan. Sue Anne 21:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport and only 20-30 people are at this level at a given time.ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 03:33, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. As User:Blnguyen said, F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport. We should be aiming for an article on every driver who has lined up for an F1 race imho, so I don't consider it helpful to be deleting this one. --kingboyk 06:04, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
• keep Clearly notable (although I'd rather he not be). JoshuaZ 22:14, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.