Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DOTSOFT

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete, especially considering Dotsoft agreed to its deletion. howcheng {chat} 19:35, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DOTSOFT

Business vanity article. (The English version of the website is here). -- Longhair 08:12, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

• Delete -- Longhair 07:32, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and expand. 165,000 Google hits - fairly notable. Blackcats 07:46, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment - 320 unique hits. User:Zoe|^(talk) 22:39, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment - 320 is not as relevant to dotsoft.gr as 165.000 is, and 165.000 isn't 'the number' per se. In the 320 case the search takes into account only the number of times the term 'dotsoft.gr' comes up and not the term 'dotsoft' which is the main descriptive name of the company. A further justification of why 320 is not characteristic is that in under no circumstances dotsoft.gr could top the google search for the term dotsoft(as it currently does) with only 320 unique hits for the term dotsoft.gr, while the total hits for the term dotsoft is 165.000. In the second case(165.000) the search takes into account the term 'dotsoft' which does not belong only to 'dotsoft.gr'. A more balanced search should be taking into account the number of results returned by google with the term 'dotsoft' and filter the results for pages written only in Greek, a fairly big number that reaches 65,100, a number big enough which still does not take into account the number of foreign text pages mentioning the company. Finally, by looking for all pages hosted in Greece(written in english or greek or anything else) and mention the term 'dotsoft' the number reaches 136,000. Google URL is http://www.google.com.gr/search?hl=el&q=dotsoft&btnG=%CE%91%CE%BD%CE%B1%CE%B6%CE%AE%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%B7&meta=cr%3DcountryGRDotsoft 06:50, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep.Why is this article considered for deletion?. There is a series of other minor companies in the listing for List of companies in Greece that have an entry but they are allowed (such as AtNet Communications S.A.). Why is Dotsoft any different than this? This article is supposed to be an informative entry for the List of companies in Greece article and not a 'Business vanity article'. Dotsoft 07:51, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Comment: If DOTSOFT is notable, the article does not let the reader know how. What sets DOTSOFT apart from other hosting companies? -- Longhair 08:16, 27 December 2005 (UTC):

Reply to Comment: I think it all comes to the meaning and purpose of the articles List of companies in Greece and List of companies which concerns companies worldwide. If the entries in these listings are notable(which to a large degree are not), what sets them apart from the other potentialy more notable companies apart from the fact that the other companies have not edited the wiki page in order to be listed? Is a fishing company in Djibuti notable? No, but this does not stop it from being listed under it's country's catalogue. Moreover as an official registrar of the gr domain dotsoft has been included in press releases on top gr sites such as http://www.in.gr/news/article.asp?lngEntityID=526981&lngDtrID=252 and http://www.marketing-net.gr/online/article.asp?returnPage=GROUP&group=6&articleid=1458 (both in gr only). Dotsoft 08:20, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Comment: No, it comes down to _whether or not your company is notable_. Justify the page's existence for a rewrite as a non-advertising encyclopaedia entry or sit. down. 24.71.91.173 08:38, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Comment: Please review Wikipedia:Notability (companies and corporations) -- Longhair 08:41, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Comment: Apologies Longhair. I went through the section and i will remove the article now.Dotsoft 08:54, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Comment: Articles under debate here shouldn't be edited or blanked until the discussion is closed. Another administrator will come along eventually and review the discussion. They'll then act according to consensus on what to do with the article. -- Longhair 09:02, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Comment: Ok, i'll reedit the article in question then, in order to at least make it more relevant.62.1.132.57 10:12, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Was that directed at me or at Dotsoft? For myself, I can't see much indication on google that Dotsoft-the-hosting-company is notable (though Dotsoft-the-AutoCAD-plugin-company might be notable). I don't see any mentions in greek news sites, not even press releases. Dotsoft's services don't strike me as notable (though admittedly I don't read Greek so there may be material in the text that's not apparent in their services grid. In short, DOTSOFT appears to be little more than Yet Another Hosting Provider.

It's possible this article belongs in the Greek wikipedia. I don't see any particular need for it here. 24.71.91.173 08:51, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Ah the good ol' "if it aint American it dont belong here, boy" argument..... Jcuk 10:47, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

• Before using the sarcasm, you might have checked the IP address location. If you had, you would have seen it's from Calgary... -- JLaTondre 22:29, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

• Keep and expand Jcuk 10:48, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and Expand ComputerJoe 12:47, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - no claim to notability. Endomion 16:22, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Do you know any other encyclopedias with Greek website spam in them? there is a good reason for that. nn. Incognito 05:24, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.