Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crocker Middle School

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep; nomination withdrawn. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 16:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crocker Middle School

Contested prod. Non notable middle school. Absolutely nothing sets this one apart from thousands of other middle schools Resolute 04:49, 3 November 2006 (UTC) *Delete There is nothing notable about this school. It has no well known alumni, nor is it particularly old. It has no succesful sports teams or clubs that have performed at a notable level. The school has recieved no notable awards. JoshuaZ 07:14, 3 November 2006 (UTC) Changing to Keep The blue ribbon awards are sufficient claim to notability. JoshuaZ 02:39, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per above. --Kf4bdy ^{talk contribs} 08:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
• Abstain from school debates, but I cleaned up the more glaring POV and unsourced problems and stubbed it.--Isotope23 16:40, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and JoshuaZ. Not like it matters... -- Kicking222 19:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Valrith 23:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with Hillsborough, California per WP:LOCAL. The town article is pretty short and does mention the school in passing so it makes sense to merge the information in this article there. JYolkowski // talk 00:04, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep or possible merge with Hillsborough, California per WP:LOCAL and WP:SCHOOLS. Yamaguchi先生 04:46, 4 November 2006
  • Comment WP:SCHOOLS seems like it isn't going to become a guideline anytime soon. Multiple editors over the last few days have tried to put a rejection template on it. JoshuaZ 04:50, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment Several school deletionists, JoshuaZ notably among them, have tried to tag WP:SCHOOLS as rejected, when this is simply NOT the case. The fact that WP:SCHOOLS has not reached consensus is part of an effort from those who refuse to cooperate to develop objective standards. The fact that the deletionists refuse to offer an alternative leaves WP:SCHOOLS as the only viable guideline. It's time that folks come to the table to work on a mutually-acceptable standard, rather than putting up with the claim that WP:SCHOOLS is a rejected standard. Alansohn
      • Comment Many "deletionists" have made specific comments about what they find unacceptable in the current proposal. This has been extensively discussed on the talk page. The end result was that none of them occured. If you want I'll make yet another proposal which will be the same as the current one but missing certain items that I already brought up on the talk page. I doubt it will get any consensus either. JoshuaZ 23:05, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Comment Since I'm getting a bit annoyed at the inaccurate claims that "deletionists" don't ever make proposals, I've added a proposal at User:JoshuaZ/Schoolproposal. See the WP:SCHOOLS's talk page for more details. JoshuaZ 23:27, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
        • Comment Personally, I don't think using a non-accepted proposal as a guideline is necessarily the best idea... beyond that, calling out the "deletionists" is a bit misleading as there is just as much (and possibly more) opposition to ever working on an accepted guideline by "inclusionists" as well. WP:AGF, but what possible incentive is there for school inclusionists to ever pony up to the table and discuss WP:SCHOOLS when virtually every single WP:V school that is over the "homeschool" threshhold is kept? If I were an inclusionist and I was seeing even Pre-schools kept on a no consensus, I'm not sure I'd be eager to sit down and discuss guidelines...--Isotope23 14:29, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per WP:LOCAL.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 07:06, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge article does not meet the WP:SCHOOLS standard. Deletion of the article, as advocated by nom and JoshuaZ, when it can be the subject of a merge is pure destructive delionist vandalism. Alansohn 22:55, 5 November 2006 (UTC)Strong Keep By searching under "William H. Crocker Middle School" (nor just "Crocker Middle School"), I was able to confirm that the school has been honered by the Blue Ribbon Schools Program, the highest award granted to any school in the nation by the United States Department of Education. For all those who have constitently attempted to trivialize this award, Crocker has been recognized not once, not twice, not three times, but on four separate occasions,: in 1982-83, 1988-89, 1994-96 and again during the 2004-05 school year. As far as I know there are only three other schools nationwide that won the award four times from 1982-2002, and I don't see any winners after 2002 who had won three times before. This school is one of about five in the nation to be so recognized. Alansohn 00:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment "destructive delionist(sic) vandalism" is unecessary. Please be civil, we can discuss this calmly while disagreeing. JoshuaZ 23:05, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment You can "get rid" of an article by deleting it or merging it. You chose deletion; Deletion is destruction (sick). Alansohn 00:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Withdraw nomination per Alansohn's research. Turns out this is one of a very small number of schools that is notable. I'll go vandalize and destroy some other article now.... Resolute 01:08, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per JoshuaZ. --Myles Long 17:30, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Multiple examples of notability are given; Blue Ribbon Awards for 1982-83, 1988-89, 1994-96, and 2004-05 as well as being honored at the White House as "one of the four best middle schools in the nation in 1982 and 1989". My hat is tipped to Alansohn for his great work on this article. Silensor 22:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.