Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Craig Perkins

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The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS, which defaults to KEEP Paul August ☎ 23:53, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Craig Perkins

not notable. Can't have a page for every public servant. Possible vanity. Whitejay²⁵¹ 02:06, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

• Abstain. "Craig Perkins" "Santa Monica" garners a respectable 130 unique google hits. He appears to have testified before a Senate committee. I'm not sure if this makes him notable or not. Pburka 02:19, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. He's a municipal civil servant: unless he discovered a cure for cancer or won a Grammy in his spare time, not notable enough for an article. And I garner a respectable 83 unique Google hits and no way am I eligible for an article. --Calton | Talk 04:13, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
  • The cancer thing I get, but who hasn't won a Grammy in their spare time? I think someone who hasn't just isn't trying very hard. Ground Zero | t 14:06, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Santa Monica has a distinctive and notable role in environmental policy, and Perkins is the point man for that role. I've expanded the stub. Chick Bowen 04:18, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. The fact that he was at the helm when the organisation did something that might be significant is not a very good claim of notability. To assert notability we need information on something, anything he actually did to help Santa Monica win the lawsuit. As it stands the article is little more than "he exists, this is what he exists as, and he existed while this was happening". We need "This is what he does, and this is what he did while this was happening". --Last Malthusian 10:58, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, but I actually think your formulation--he was at the helm when the organisation did something that might be significant--is a pretty good statement of notability by Wikipedia's rather low standards (WP:NOT paper). We don't know which ideas were whose in meetings between Perkins, the mayor, and their lawyers. What we do know is that Perkins took credit in his testimony before the Senate, because he was in charge when it happened. I really don't see what's wrong with that standard. Chick Bowen 12:20, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. That something notable happened on his watch probably means he imports enough notability. There must be a number of media references to him from the relevant time, presumably along with interviews and the like. -Splash^talk 13:44, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep fine by my book Alf ^melmac 19:45, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per Calton. And I have around 12,000 Google hits (yes, all me) but do not assert notability. (yet. :-)) -- MCB 20:19, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete I get double his Google hits. That does not constitute notability. And other evidence is thin on the ground. Denni☯ 01:02, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep He was frontman in long-running 200-plus million dollar lawsuit settlement paid to the city of Santa Monica. That city was one of the first to identify the effect of MtBE on groundwater. He testified in front of the Subcommittee on Environment and Hazardous Materials. I got substantially more search results than some of the other numbers supplied here. He seems to have been involved in a lot of environmental issues over the last 10 years or so. I think he fits, no Ralph Nader but... Rx StrangeLove 21:30, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, it's verifiable and wiki isn't paper. It doesn't come under any point at What Wikipedia is not. ··gracefool |☺ 18:52, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.