Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/City of Rockford Pipe Band

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was nomination withdrawn. Mailer Diablo 16:31, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] City of Rockford Pipe Band

Not notible, Vanity. The author admitted on talk page that he is closely related to this 25 member organization. This pipe band is by far the least notible of any American bands to currently have an article in this encyclopedia. I am in favor of userfying or deleting Musaabdulrashid 09:19, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Nomination withdrawn, I have noticed that articles like this are a once in a lifetime phenomenon and that it is extremely unlikely that any other articles about grade 4 bands would be this good. Deleting it would not work to set any type of presecent for similar pipe band articles, because there probably won't ever be any similar pipe band articles.--Musaabdulrashid 06:45, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

• User pages aren't supposed to be free home pages, and thus I don't think this would be appropriate material for a user page. I don't really see a problem with vanity here, despite the author's admitted relationship with a band member, as long as the material is objective and verifiable. Having said that, I think the notability of even a strong Grade 4 band is in doubt. so my vote is Weak delete. Changing vote to Weak keep based on some competition success and some evidence of notability within their local community. Dsreyn 20:50, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Userfy or Weak Delete, (nominator, my real vote). This material isn't really a home page, and as said before it could very easily be on wikipedia if it was more notable. An article like this does not seem to violate Wikipedia:Userpage#What_can_I_not_have_on_my_user_page.3F, and it is not any more a home page than most other userpages. Vanity, I beleive, is a key issue here though as more 2/3rds and possible 3/4 of the author's edits have been to this page and immediately related articles. This is generally bad for wikipedia and harms the encyclopedic nature of pipe band articles.--Musaabdulrashid 23:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
• First I would like to state I have no problem with the discussion in regard to the issue that the City of Rockford Pipe Band article may or may not meet the "notability" standard. I, however, am beginning to take umbrage over its deletion based on "vanity." While I made a great number of edits in the article my intent was to provide proper structure and objective content. If the sole critera for "vanity" in any new article is the percentage of edits made by one individual then we may have a problem with some, if not most, of the pipe band articles - all of which are relatively new. Example: Midlothian Scottish Pipe Band (no allusions to "relationship" intended). Further, I believe time would be better spent in defining or at least developing a consensus as to the "notabilty" standard for pipe band inclusion and carry on from there.--Srebob 11:28, 28 July 2006 (UTC)srebob

I really hope this doesn't offend you in any way, but I meant that over 2/3rds of your total contributions were to this article, and that you've contributed to little else (there's nothing wrong with that in general). This definetely doesn't alone qualify the article as vanity, but considering the subject's non notable nature, it isn't good. If a user were to only contribute to one article, it should be to somthing more notable and a subject which that user is not directly connected to.--Musaabdulrashid 05:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

• Weak keep. An article like this is a little difficult to characterize, but with a state and regional championship in its class, the pipe band seems to have at least some minimal notability. I would give the article time to grow. -- DS1953 ^talk 03:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Please note that as of now the encyclopedia has 3 articles about grade 1 pipe bands in the US, 3 articles about grade 2 pipe bands in the US, and just this one article about a Grade 4 band. To be fair, we would need to write articles about the rest of the grade 2 bands and the best grade 3 bands before we would include this one. Honestly, I don't think anyone would want to write articles about grade 3 or grade 4 pipe bands unless they play in them themselves, or are very close to someone who plays in one. There simply is no way that a Grade 4 band is notable.--Musaabdulrashid 05:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment. The premise that the grade 2 and grade 3 articles need to be written first is faulty. Wikipedia articles generally don't get written "in order" - they are written whenever someone has the time, interest and knowledge. I think the issue is simply the notability of a grade 4 band. Dsreyn 14:46, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree, I was only demonstrating that there is practically no interest in G4 pipe bands. There is enough time and knowledge here to write an article on almost any pipe band.--Musaabdulrashid 00:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment 2. I agree, somewhat, with Dsreyn. As a continuing aside: just what the heck (change "heck" as it suits you) is "notable (I know I'm being redundant)." In the midwest the City of Rockford Pipe Band is a minor phenomena, in the world it's a "piss-ant" pipe band. Do we disallow the over all effort to write Pipe Band articles based on some yet limited definition of "worthiness" or do we simply delete them from the "Notable Pipe Band List" (my vote) and let well written and object articles stand on their own merit? Beats me...--Srebob 01:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)srebob

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.