Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian City Church, Oxford Falls

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The result of the debate was failed to reach consensus. Rx StrangeLove 06:21, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Christian City Church, Oxford Falls

nn church, advertising. Zoe 08:41, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

• Keep and clean-up this is a mega-church (4,000 attending weekly is notable - certainly more notable than a singapore busstop) if this were a sportsground with 4,000 weekly spectators would we delete that? --Doc (?) 08:47, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Considering that most small towns in Texas have a high school football stadium that meets that criterion, then, yes. Zoe 08:59, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
    • Justifying to keep one article because of the obviously flawed reasoning of a second nomination is what is terribly bad reasoning. / Peter ^Isotalo 09:50, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as notable church. Capitalistroadster 09:20, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
• Merge into article on the town. Proto t c 09:45, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. As per nominator. Peter ^Isotalo 09:50, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, of interest to at least the 4,000 people who attend weekly. Kappa 10:08, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
  • If it can be proved that this megachurch is somehow relevant to anyone outside the congregation by all means keep. Pilatus 13:04, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete unless cleaned up to asserts its relevance. The Singapore "bus stops" are actually major commercial centers of Singapore suburbs, so User:Huaiwei informs us. I don't feel well about putting those up for deletion now. With some effort, those entries can be turned into something encyclopedia-worthy. I'm not convinced about this mega-church. Pilatus 13:01, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
• Weak Delete -- borders on an advertisement for the church and as Pilatus said, unless someone can prove relevance outside the congregation, it should go. If it survives, someone needs to add a cleanup tag... there are entire sections without text. --Isotope23 13:35, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

If we are keeping primary schools and bus stations - why is the bar so high for churches? 4,000 members should be notable enough for anyone- but if you need more see this [1] - and ask yourself how many churches have their own grammar school, TV studio, and got opened by the Prime Minister of Australia?? --Doc (?) 13:22, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

• Keep I have no problem with this article, a merge to Sydney, Australia would be bad for that article, merging to City of Sydney might be good, but don't know if that's the right place, so, OK where it is, but more work and clean up needed. Alf ^melmac 15:19, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
  • • It isn't in Sydney, it's in Oxford Falls, New South Wales. Zoe 21:54, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
      • Thanks Zoe, I only liked geography lessons at school when we got to use the coloured pencils. Alf ^melmac 00:28, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete --Mecanismo 17:45, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
• Weak delete in agreement with Pilatus. Barno 19:34, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete echoing above although justifying Singapore bus stops seems a hopeless task. Dottore So 19:49, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

6,000 members, one of the largest in Australia, they run a TV studio and a school, and attract support of a prime minister - but they are nn? Can someone explain what the notability threshold for churches should be? They run a school - if they had just been a school, there'd be a string of keeps here right now!--Doc (?) 20:01, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

• Merge into the town, or establish notability better then the article did. CHAIRBOY (☎) 20:19, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

The town doesn't have an article --Doc (?) 20:27, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

• I usually vote to delete churches, but this is a particularly large one in a country where a congregation of 4000 is notable (an equivalent church in the US would be nn, IMO.) Keep. Sdedeo 21:15, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep because it's the founding church of a worldwide church movement, and what happens there has wider significance than just locally. 203.222.133.98 05:10, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - Most people who say "Merge" never seem to think through that very well. RADICALBENDER★ 19:22, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep I don't see why there is even a question about deleting this particular church, because of the size of the church, and influence in Australia and broader. There are so many other churches out there in Wikipedia-land, so why question this one? 220.101.98.47 11:33, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

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