Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Messina (open source ambassador)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was Keep. Deathphoenix ʕ 17:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chris Messina (open source ambassador)

Non notable possible hoax fails google, The start up browser Flock in the article is a link to Herd as in cattle and since been corrected by creator but still does not mention article subject, website is a blog.--John Lake 00:15, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as nominator.--John Lake 00:15, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep' as creator --Fligjam 00:20, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

The links do not point to Chris Messina (open source ambassador) but to Factory city. It simply fails WP:BIO. It is up to the community to decide and that is why it is on Afd.--John Lake 01:55, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

"The links do not point to Chris Messina (open source ambassador) but to Factory city." With the greatest respect did you read the description for each entry in google? That's what it says. Also, FactoryCity is simply the name of Chris's pretty famous (high technorati ranking) blog. Most people don't have blogs or personal sites that match their personal names. In Chris's case it looks like a different Chris Messia owns' his .com anyway. I think this does pass the WP:BIO test - "Persons achieving renown or notoriety for their involvement in newsworthy events". I would also point to many of Chris's peers having entries, including Tara Hunt and Tom Coates - neither of which have Afd's on. --Fligjam 02:23, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean by "article subject"? Also not sure what the issue is with website being a blog - this is the wikiepdia entry for a person and most personal websites are blogs these days. Don't see how that effects the validity of this entry? --Fligjam 01:07, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Your attempt create a disamb page caused this Afd to point to the wrong article. It has been repaired.--John Lake 00:46, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

As I understand my creation of a disamb page was the correct course of action under wikipedia policy. In fact, if you put the Afd on Chris Messina (open source ambassador) page I can't understand how the disamb page effected this? --Fligjam 01:00, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

It was created on Chris Messinas page [1] not on a separate page which it needs to be.--John Lake 01:25, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

A disamb page must be created for both titles on a separate page, not on the articles themselves. You can still create a separate page for both.--John Lake 01:38, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, so why have you put an AFD on this article Chris Messina (open source ambassador)?

Not sure how this "fails google" - a google search for Chris Messina actually returns this Chris Messina top, above the actor who's entry was the original (and now disambiguated) --Fligjam 00:35, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

The disamb link was corrected and yes the Ghits they do point to the actor Chris Messina but not too this articles title.--John Lake 00:54, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

RE: google. No, that is not correct, plz look again. The google results have Chris Messina (actor) come in 3rd. This Chris Messina (not the actor) is first and second.

I looked, Chris Messina Chris Messina (open source ambassador) has only 2 hits on top both Factoryjoe.com/blog/ This isn't about Chris Messina (actor) though.--John Lake 01:10, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

My edits, creation have nothing to do with Chris Messina the actor. I only moved the existing Chris Messina (pre-disamb) entry to Cris Messina (actor) because the original entry was about the actor. If your issue is over the validity of the Chris Messina (actor) entry, then that's beyond the scope of my interest -- other than the fact that it was already there. I'm really sorry, and I'm not trying to be dumb, but I'm still not clear what your issue is with the the Chris Messina (open source ambassador) entry, and assuming that to be acceptable why the disamb page is wrong either.--Fligjam 01:29, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Explantion for creation of page

This page was created due to numerous erroronous links on Wikipedia pointing to Chris Messina (the actor) when the context was Chris Messina the opensource ambassador. Links include Image:2004_New-York-Times_Firefox_ad.png and Tara Hunt.

This article was not completed (and links to flock, etc checked) before deletion notification was slapped onto this page!

Unfortunately I am not in a knowelgable position to give further details as to the details of Chris' biog which is why I have created this stub. --Fligjam 00:20, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

• Weak keep - I've heard of the browser, is he like the Blake Ross of Flock? — RevRagnarok ^{Talk Contrib Reverts} 02:55, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

This ifrom the Flock browser article Flock is the successor to Round Two who raised money from Bessemer Venture Partners, Catamount Ventures, Shasta Ventures, and other angel investors. Bart Decrem is Flock’s CEO and co-founder with Geoffrey Arone. does not mention Chris Messina (open source ambassador), so I don't think that he is as notable as Blake Ross is with Firefox.--John Lake 03:35, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Boderline notability but does exist. Notable programmer that assisted in creating a few notable groups and browsers. The flock link has been fixed. Google gave me some good hits. Also, look at the text in this image, I don't think this is a hoax from what I can tell. Yanksox 02:59, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I can't read the text in Firefox or Opera and ie is out of the question, what does it say.?--John Lake 03:11, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Image was uploaded around November of last year and states, "The two-page advertisement for Mozilla Firefox in the New York Times of 16 December 2004 featuring the names of the over 10,000 users who donated the US$250,000 to Mozilla Foundation which was used, in part, to pay for the media space. The ad was designed and laid out by Chris Messina, a SpreadFireFox volunteer at the time." Yanksox 03:14, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Chris Messina is sufficiently notable to the Web 2.0 world for BarCamp alone. He was one of the original five founders (which also include Tantek Celik) and is arguably its most active evangelist. In under a year BarCamp has become a successful worldwide phenomenon which has spawned multi-day events in over 30 countries, and a growing number of spin-offs including DemoCamp and CaseCamp. --User:Heyjohngreen, July 9th, 2006

• Merge tp BarCamp. Tara Hunt should also be considered for merging. Artw 16:51, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

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