Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chi Rho Omicron, Inc.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. 5 to delete, 4 to keep &/or rename, and 5 discarded. --Ezeu 09:35, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chi Rho Omicron, Inc.

Non-notable fraternity/company thing. Definitely not notable, at least. —Cuiviénen (talk•contribs), Sunday, 7 May 2006 @ 23:37 UTC

• Delete as a vanity page. Aplomado ^talk 23:47, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, move to Chi Rho Omicron and cleanup for NPOV. This organization actually exists at more than one university, and is on the list of student organizations on several of those universities' web sites, which places it far ahead of the typical student organization which comes up on AfD. --Metropolitan90 23:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete doesn't meet standards. ---|Newyorktimescrossword 02:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC)|
• Keep. As one of the contributors to the page, we can definitely clean it up and provide a more balanced view of the organization, thereby making it more neutral. ---Pinoyboy 08:11, 8 May 2006

  Vast majority of edits are to the nominated page. —Cuiviénen (talk•contribs), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 @ 02:36 UTC

• Keep. This is definitely not a vanity page. To say this organization is "not notable" is showing some sort of prejudice for an organization that you have no information about. Since this was written by members of the orgainization, it may be considered "Not neutral". However, if someone has a differing facts about the group, feel free to add that information. To delete it, without just reason, is not the solution. If you say that standards are not met, please list the exact standards to which you are referring. ---TwentyThree 12:59, 8 May 2006

  User's only edit. —Cuiviénen (talk•contribs), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 @ 02:36 UTC

• Delete all fraternities. This material belongs on their own website. Stifle (talk) 11:48, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. DarthVader 13:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This is a useful page for individual who want to know more about cultural organization like this. I find this article very informative. I recommend more specific information on their project.---puipui1019 20:10, 9 May 2006

User has a total of two edits. --Ezeu 00:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, The organization is well noted in its respective campuses, is recognized by many ethnic and community service organizations, and has been profiled by a number of print and televised media outlets. Article should be edited to follow format of other fraternal organization pages. —Coloursinmyhead 04:35, 10 May 2006 UTC

User has a total of three edits. --Ezeu 00:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Filipinos are a people with a long history in the U.S.A. dating as far back as the 1500s, yet their achievements and struggles have largely gone unnoticed. This article can undue such an injustice by giving credence to the only existing college fraternity in the U.S.A. dedicated to the largely unrecognized and underrepresented Filipino community. To delete XPO from wikipedia would only repeat the injustice of denying the historical significance of Filipinos in the U.S.A. I do agree, however, that the article's biases should be corrected to present a neutral point of view. Filipinos have endured a long history of oppression, slavery, and degradation. When will they have the chance to let their achievements and successes be seen? s.smith 13:36, 10 May 2006

User has a total of two edits, both of them here. --Ezeu 00:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment - First become notable, then get an encyclopedia article. I assume there are significant achievements by Filipinos, but those need their own article. This fraternity doesn't get an article because some other Filipino deserves one - figure out who it is, and write their article, keeping in mind the policies WP:V and WP:RS. GRBerry 20:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete While the level 3 section entitled "Pilipino culture, history, and heritage" asserts notability, the three linked to web-sites make no reference to this fraternity. A quick search found no evidence of notability and no reliable sources that could be used to establish notability. There were no links on google news, none on google scholar, two campus guides on google book, and no reliable sources on the top few pages of google web. The practice is, first become notable, then get a wikipedia article, not the other way around. GRBerry 20:48, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment and Keep - My question is: What is notable? Figures outstanding in numerous non-European communities throughout the world have been overlooked because society has historically been biased towards Eurocentric perceptions. Is not being of the first, if not the only, Fraternities with a Filipino cultural emphasis in the U.S.A., to be incorporated by the state of California -a rigorous and lengthy process- and established at seven major universities in California "notable" enough? I would also ask how credible can Google be in establishing notability for anything at all? If the age of technology is limited to predominantly "Western" developed societies, then the vast majority of internet data would exclude the perspectives of non-European groups the world over. Because of this, internet searches are in and of themselves biased and unreliable in searching for credibility. Look to the respective institutions where such groups would be established, the state of California and the universities for this matter. The representation of an underrepresented group, Filipinos, by Chi Rho Omicron, Inc., is notable enough since they have been incorporated within the state of California and established at seven major universities in that state. However, I do adamantly agree that this page is riddled with biases and non-neutrality and should be purged of them. Keep and correct the page so that it may present a NPOV. s.smith 17:38, 11 May 2006

Users second vote. --Ezeu 00:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep move to Chi Rho Omicron and clean it up for NPOV. Many fraternity articles read too much like brochures (unfortunately). This one needs a lot of work, both in NPOV and citing sources; however, I'd rather see it cleaned up than lost. The organization is eleven years old and has existed at seven universities, with six chapters being active on campus, today. I guess a lot of my oppinion of "notability" depends on how "notable" it is on those campuses. If it's not, then it likely only matters to a couple hundred people. If it's "notable" on those campuses, it's "notable" to perhaps over 100,000, right? And, most of those people would not be in the organization. My oppinion's not too strong in either direction, but I lean towards keep and fix. — vijay 12:39, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Keep Here we go again with the fraternity and sorority Afd noms. In the past I've voted to both keep and delete certain fraternity articles so even though I always edit those type of articles I'm not biased for or against them. I tend to look at their notability and neutrality. In looking at this article, I'm having a hard time understanding how a regional fraternity with 7 chapters lacks Wiki's criteria for notability. Regional fraternities and even some local (i.e. a fraternity with only one chapter. See The William Penn Society) have articles on Wiki and some of them are not that well written in comparison to this AfD nominated article. If you want to see another fraternity that is also Filipino and also a regional fraternity, survived AfD and not even written with the same amount of info as this article please take a look at Zeta Phi Rho. What this article does lack is a NPOV. Fraternity and sorority articles are often riddled with self-congratulatory remarks which is why they often get AfD in the the first place. Keep and fix this --† Ðy§ep§ion † ^{Speak your mind} 16:32, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Agreed on the rename, (Which should be applied to Iota Phi Theta Fraternity, Inc. as well, but that's for another day) Looks like about the only thing left that isn't NPOV is the Evaluation. Other than that, looks OK. Naraht 20:15, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.