Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles E. Rice, III

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The result of the debate was Delete. Kusma (討論) 02:18, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Charles E. Rice, III

Subject is a former District Court Judge (a county-level position); does not meet WP:BIO notability criteria: Political figures holding international, national or statewide/provincewide office or members of a national, state or provincial legislature. Prod tag was removed by author. OhNoitsJamie^Talk 01:56, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete fails WP:BIO and Google test. 19 Ghits. Royboycrashfan 02:04, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, note that meeting WP:BIO requirements is not a necessary criterion for notability (for example Ray Nagin doesn't meet them, but no one would deny he's notable). However, it looks like advertisement. --Saforrest 02:46, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

  Comment: Ray Nagin passes alternative tests. Royboycrashfan 02:50, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

  Comment Interesting point; I'd never question the notability of a mayor of a large city, yet it doesn't seem to meet the WP:BIO sentence I quoted. (Side note: I think Nagin would also pass WP:BIO by virtue of media attention). OhNoitsJamie^Talk 03:18, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Federal district court, or state district court? If he was a federal district court judge he'd be definately notable. ⇒ SWATJester ^Ready Aim _Fire! 04:26, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

• Comment I certainly agree that a federal district court judge is notable, but Rice seems to have been a state district court judge. Joe 05:11, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, nn-bio. --Terence Ong 05:03, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable. Joe 05:11, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete He is a former state district court judge and this does look like advertising. Montco 05:50, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. If he were a federal judge, he would say so, and he would not be working in private practice now. Local judges are not notable without additional accomplishments. Serving on a committee means nothing, if he has no notable accomplishments as a result. NTK 10:41, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 14:14, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
• Question sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, feel free to post on my talk page any answers. What is notable about a judge? Being English I have no idea what the difference is between a federal or state district judge, much less why either of them should be notable. I cant see any reason I would do a biography on anybody working at Harrogate Crown Court for example.... Cheers. Jcuk 16:06, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Reply I don't think there is a set policy on judges. State judges can be notable and Federal judges can be obscure. But your state district court judge is going to be more likely to have your run-of-the-mill cases like car theft, assault and the occasional murder. Sometimes state judges like Lance Ito become quite notable because of a notable trial, OJ Simpson for instance. A Federal judge requires you to get a Presidential appointment, which can end up becoming political, and you also get a shot at constitutional issues. If someone could point out a case with major implications that Judge Rice presided over, that would change my opinion. So as in everything here at Wikipedia, it's very subjective, for me I like a rule of thumb. Montco 02:19, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Even district court judges are notable within a state legal system. Plus, different states have different titles for "district": for example while at the federal level districts are the lowest tier and circuit courts are the appellate branch, in the state of florida circuit courts are the original jurisdiction courts and district courts are appelate branches. Anyway, it grants him notability. I do have to say however, all Federal Judges are notable as they receive their appointments from the president of the united states. ⇒ SWATJester ^Ready Aim _Fire! 06:42, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

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