Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Centreville, Lennox and Addington County, Ontario

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Speedy Keep karmafist 20:16, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Centreville, Lennox and Addington County, Ontario

Village of 80 people. Gas station. Public school of 150 students. NN. r3m0t ^talk 01:59, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

• Keep Strong precedent is to keep any verifiable place/settlement. Dlyons493 Talk 03:47, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Cities themselves are notable, regardless of size - WP:AFDP Lbbzman 04:37, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
• Extreme keep. All real places are notable. We should encourage creation of an article on every place in the world. See List of places with fewer than ten residents. User:Zoe|^(talk) 04:47, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
  • I would qualify that to say, all real legal jurisdications, current and former, (e.g. municipalities, states, provinces, etc...). Maybe every census unit (whatever the proper term is). But are all places notable? What about neighborhoods? Is every hamlet notable? Also, the list you gave is (I think) based on census data, so its all verifiable information. Do we have any census data on Centreville, or any other reliable source? --Rob 12:27, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep. Maybe the AFD can have a positive effect though if it brings these pages to people's attention so that the articles are expanded. Blackcats 07:47, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. as discussed above --Enfiladissa 08:15, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep all places. Please do not list villages for deletion again. QQ 09:00, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
  • While the stated nominators reason is invalid (villages can't be deleted as "nn"), *anything* in Wikipedia can be deleted as non-verifiable. Discussing notability is an unfortunate (though common) distraction from the single issue we should discuss: verifiability. If I find an article on a village, that no amount of effort can verify, I'll certainly list it for AFD. At this point, I suspect the problems of the article can be addressed, and the article kept, but that's not been determined yet. --Rob 13:05, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per Lbbzman. — JIP | Talk 09:02, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Calsicol 09:07, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
• Comment: What type of legal entity are we talking about here? Based on reading this, I gather its an unicorporated village in the Camden Township (which doesn't have it's own article). It sounds like it was once incorporated based on the sentence "The Town Hall in Centreville, the current Municipal Offices for the Township of Camden East was erected in 1905.". Anyway, I would likely support keeping this, but I would like to know what we're keeping first. Sorry in advance, if my question sounds dumb. One option would be to move this article to Camden, Ontario and convert it into an article about the township, which mentions this, and any other village inside it. Also, can anybody find any official mention of this place? --Rob 12:27, 24 December 2005 (UTC) Added: If Camden did exist, it doesn't seem to anymore. --Rob 12:34, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
  • That's a very valid question - has anyone local knowledge? Note my keep vote was predicated on this place being verifiable. Dlyons493 Talk 12:36, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
    • I think an unfortunate result of RAMBOT, is it's given the impression we can write articles about every little place on Earth, with no decent sources. We can't. Some places have no verifiable information. RAMBOT is based on verifiable census data, and will update articles as needed. Based on reading the Centreville Public School I now get the impression that Camden (and East Camden) are gone, and that Centreville is part of the Township of Stone Mills . No mention of Camden exists on the county web site. This is concerning, since our *only* source for this article is so out-of-date, it refers to a Township (Camden) that might not exist anymore. I think the article has to state what, if any township the village is part of, and it has to state if the village is incorporated (e.g. if it has its own government). I'm 100% for keeping this article *if* there's sufficient verifiable information. --Rob 12:51, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Added: While I hope somebody does have local knowledge to contribute, that won't be sufficient. We have to answer the relevant questions from verifiable sources. I won't accept somebody just telling me they know the place exists, with a certain status, because they've been there. --Rob 12:54, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Well ... Centreville is mentioned on the County-Homepage, there is a map here: [1] .... --Enfiladissa 13:03, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks, the map is helpful. But, it's just a dot on a map. It doesn't tell us enough, like the incorporation status, or what (if any) township its part of. We have to verify more then existence, but also status. --Rob 13:13, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

• well: here: [2] - on the county side - it is said, that "Centreville, the centre of Camden Township, is a small village located at the intersection of County Road 4 and Centreville Road. We are a 10 minute drive from Hwy 401, a 25 minute drive to the City of Kingston and a 20 minute drive to the Town of Napanee.", if that helps ... --Enfiladissa 13:23, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
  • The county site you pointed to contradicts itself. Go to here then click on the list for "Stone Mills Township" and you'll see "Centreville". Select it, and you'll see this (the only source of our article). Her's the catch: Stone Mills isn't mentioned on this page at all. Instead Camden is (in fact Centreville is in the centre of Camden). It even refers to "the current Municipal Offices for the Township of Camden East". So we know the first sentence, and last sentence of that page are no longer accurate. What else is no longer accurate? What benefit does a Wikipedia article have, unless we tell people things we've verified to be accurate. --Rob 13:40, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
    • well, I agree, partly. I mean, these people seems to have contests in constructing cabbage-throwing-machines ([3]), I do not expect them to be accurate in giving details a small 80-person village. I saw the contradictions, but I posted it because of the links being some kind of verification of the existence of the place itself ... --Enfiladissa 13:55, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

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