Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caschera (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Kirill Lokshin 03:58, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Caschera

This article was nominated for deletion about a month ago; the previous debate is here.

The same arguments hold true. Sources can be found only for "Caschera" being a surname, and we don't generally keep surnames. Despite repeated requests, the anonymous editor who asserts that the Caschera were a "group of legandary figures" "accredited with the founding of Brocco" has failed to come up with credible sources. Please see the talk page for the discussion. Keep The Murgatroyd reference is real. I have a copy right in front of me. Page 98 talks about the characters. How do you assume a hoax when there is evidence and references made about them throughout classical history; please see suetonius and plutarch. Pliatas has his heart on killing the story, for some reason we can not figure out. Most other sources are in Italian. They are mentioned heavily thorughout the history of Sora. Given that this is not considered a major city today, you wont find many of these books, nor will they be in English. The locations are real, and the history is also real. There is a monument in the town attested to the Cascheras. Also, lets not forget that this is more likely a legend rather than historical fact. If it is history, it was most likely written several years after the fact. Similar to the stories of Romulus and Remus, which can actually vary according to Author. A set of twins who were raised by a she wolf is very unlikely. Italians, especially ancient Romans and other mediterraneans love to come up with aetiological stories. What other cedible sources would you like? Go to the area ask a native, they will tell you. I find it a bit hilarious that wikipedia can be so ignorant and stubborn about this story. By not allowing this story, we are limiting our users' knowledge of ancient and possibly even mythological history. So per WP:V this ought to go. Pilatus 14:17, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

• Delete my previous Keep vote was predicated on the claimed Murgatroyd reference being validated. That now appears to have been a hoax. Don't generally like renominations so soon but like keeping hoaxes even less. Dlyons493 Talk 14:35, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Old text unverifiable, new text unencyclopedic. — Haeleth Talk 23:32, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
• The Murgatroyd reference is real. I have a copy right in front of me. Page 98 talks about the characters. How do you assume a hoax when there is evidence and references made about them throughout classical history; please see suetonius and plutarch. Pliatas has his heart on killing the story, for some reason we can not figure out. Most other sources are in Italian. They are mentioned heavily thorughout the history of Sora. Given that this is not considered a major city today, you wont find many of these books, nor will they be in English. The locations are real, and the history is also real. There is a monument in the town attested to the Cascheras. Also, lets not forget that this is more likely a legend rather than historical fact. If it is history, it was most likely written several years after the fact. Similar to the stories of Romulus and Remus, which can actually vary according to Author. A set of twins who were raised by a she wolf is very unlikely. Italians, especially ancient Romans and other mediterraneans love to come up with aetiological stories. What other cedible sources would you like? Go to the area ask a native, they will tell you. I find it a bit hilarious that wikipedia can be so ignorant and stubborn about this story. By not allowing this story, we are limiting our users' knowledge of ancient and possibly even mythological history.141.161.92.168 18:01, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.