Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caoilfhionn Nic Pháidín

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 21:48, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Caoilfhionn Nic Pháidín

Non-notable academic Sam Clark 10:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Fails WP:PROF Pathlessdesert 10:58, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep in light of info below; article should reflect the ways in which the subject meets notability criteria as opp. to her academic background (in which the subject appears to be a standard nn academic). Pathlessdesert 11:26, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• I'm far from convinced she is non-notable (given her field). Her work biography is impressive enough for me. I'd be interested to see what anyone who actually knows something about her field (or even how to pronounce her name) would have to say on the subject; at present we're all far too ignorant to really say much about this article. fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 11:01, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
  • She threatened to sue a publisher once. Uncle G 13:51, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, article asserts no notabiltiy, WP:BIO, unverifiable. So what if she had written a few books, are they notable in the first place? --Terence Ong _{(T | C)} 11:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Do you know? fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 11:10, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
    • With due respect, I'm not so sure you know either. The nom is an academic in the arts and I'm giving him some credit. And double check the names of the publishers in your link, you'll see that a chunk of the books were self-published -- Samir धर्म 11:32, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
      • Well, no, I don't know. If I knew, I'd have said "I know" rather than "none of us know" ... and am I the only one whose skin crawls when someone says "with [all] due respect" to me? fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 11:35, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Do agree that it would be great if we had someone knowledgeable of her field here, but commenting on info at our disposal, I think it's still a delete. The significance of the books is unclear to me as a chunk were published by Cois Life which she is the co-founder of (according to Mark's link). And 2 peer reviewed publications in 2 years does not notability make. If she was the sole author/major contributor of the English/Irish dictionary listed, then I may be swayed, but right now, I agree that she's non-notable as an academic. -- Samir धर्म 11:18, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I'll ask User:Jtdirl for translation help. He is the Man of Ireland after all -- Samir धर्म 11:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
    • I missed the self-publish thing; that's a good point. Look forward to seeing what Jtdirl thinks. fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 11:35, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - on the basis of her work biog, linked above, she's an ordinary senior academic: she's written some books and articles, she teaches various courses at her institution. This doesn't add up to notability. Cheers, Sam Clark 11:27, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Currently, she reads like a run-of-the-mill academic, albeit one in an unusual field. I'll happily reconsider if someone closer to the Irish language provides more information. BigHaz 11:32, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Weak keep since information has now been provided about the body she's a member of. I wouldn't mind seeing more info, but the notability issue seems to be resolved (at least to me it is). BigHaz 06:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Cois Life is a real publishing company that publishes many different authors and books. See http://www.coislife.ie/index2.htm Her status as a co-founder of the publishing company does not detract from the notability of her publications. Moreover, she served on the Coimisiún na Gaeltachta for two years. The Irish Government established Coimisiún na Gaeltachta (The Gaeltacht Commission) in April 2000 to make recommendations on the strenghtening of Irish as the normal means of communication of the Gaeltacht community. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 16:22, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment - Having published books is not in itself sufficient for notability. So, is the thought that although CNP isn't notable qua academic, she is notable qua member of Coimisiún na Gaeltachta? If so, perhaps that article should list the members of the commission, and perhaps this article (if it's kept) should make it clear that this is her claim to notability. Cheers, Sam Clark 23:10, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Seems to me she cleary meets WP:PROF (regarded by others as a significant expert in her field). Coimisiún na Gaeltachta was an 8 member Government appointed national body recommending on the state of a national language. And FWIW I could pronounce her name although my expertise wouldn't go much beyond that. Dlyons493 Talk 00:38, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep She's the director of Fiontar and co-founded one of what must undoubtedly be one of the few publishers for the Irish language. Her book, Focloir Fiontar/Dictionary of Terminology lists for sale on major Irish Language booksellers. You only need to meet one of seven criteria for WP:PROF and she meets several. Irongargoyle 00:50, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Her role as an Irish language consultant for the Oxford English Dictionary for the past 20 years (see this page) meets WP:PROF no. 1 IMHO. Here is some more information on the publishing company she founded. Since it is funded by the the Arts Council of Ireland, a government sponsored body, I presume that the company is important for the promotion of the Irish language. Bláthnaid 01:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep— This discussion sequence shows the value of the Wiki process. The clear progression from questions to data makes me want to edit for another day. Good enough for Wikipedia. Williamborg (Bill) 02:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
  • It certainly is. This discussion has convinced me of a keep -- Samir धर्म 06:07, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - dunno if I ought to vote keep as nominator, but OK, I'm convinced that I was mistaken. Now someone needs to make the subject's notability explicit in the article. This process has been a cheering indication of how well Wiki can work... Cheers, Sam Clark 10:10, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

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