Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cannibal Cultures and Crime

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete. Original research. El_C 10:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cannibal Cultures and Crime

I am, to put it midly, concerned with this article. First, the title is POV suggesting a clearly established link between the two things. Second it is pretty much OR and states as a fact that

There is an interesting association between high violent crime in nations whose ancestors were cannibals.There are numerous examples of these corrolations and claims of genetic predisposition to violence in certain cultures.

whereas I am pretty certain that this is at best a very very highly contested[1] [2] extrapolation from a single researcher's work. Dr Lea's work seems to have caused quite a roar but it also seems that he never made a link between cannibal cultures and crime. It also does not appear that he has had much support from the rest of the scientific community. This has no place on Wikipedia and I hope people will avoid the "keep and make neutral" pitfall here. This is a fringe topic and a fringe opinion with no real backup. Pascal.Tesson 00:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete As original research. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 00:22, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:OR,WP:NPOV - makes its own connections between topics which even if reliably verified individually wouldn't form a logical argument. Maoris have high crime. Maoris were cannibals. Aztecs were cannibals. Mexico has high crime. Therefore cannibal cultures have high crime. Hmmm, no thanks. Yomangani^talk 01:00, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete -AMK152 01:07, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as original research. --דניאל ~ Danielrocks123 ^{talk contribs Count} 02:24, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:NOR. Michael 02:58, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom ReverendG 03:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as original research. And repeat: "correlation does not equal causation. Correlation does not equal causation..." ColourBurst 03:13, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Holy crap please delete. Pathetic article.UberCryxic 03:48, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Bananas cause cancer!!! Delete. Vizjim 04:52, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Shame on me for thinking for one second that there would be some bozo defending this article! Always nice to see common sense prevail. Pascal.Tesson 05:28, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete per A6. I have tagged the article {{db-attack}} Robert A.West (Talk) 06:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment I want this to be deleted as much as anyone but frankly I don't think it quite qualifies as an attack page. Also (correct me if I'm wrong) but I think speedy tags should not be used when there's an ongoing AfD. Or are attack pages an exception? Pascal.Tesson 06:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per OR and inability to pass WP:V. If it can be speedied as an attack page as well, I'm for that. 205.157.110.11 07:07, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• I've removed the speedy tag - articles can be speedied while in an AfD if they fall under a CSD. However, this is not a blatant attack page per se, and the AfD hasn't really been open long enough for any opposition to have a chance to argue, so for now, I'm leaving it open with the knowledge it's pretty likely to be deleted eventually. -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 07:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

ok thanks for the clarification. Pascal.Tesson 07:18, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Original research, totally POV. "The high crime rate in Mexico could be due to genetic diffrences in monoamine oxidase genes that were present in the Aztecs and were passed on to the present day Mexicans." You must be joking. Poverty tends to be correlated with high crime rates, and Mexico is a fairly poverty-stricken country. Wild and unfounded speculation about other supposed 'causes' does not belong on Wikipedia. --S0uj1r0 08:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per all discussion above. There is nothing worth saving in this article that hasn't been covered better elsewhere.--Saintlink 10:58, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as original research. None of the sources cited state that there is a correlation between a cultural history of cannibalism and modern day crime - there's just two or three sets of "this culture is allegedly disproportionately violent today <cite1> and allegedly practiced cannabalism in the past." <cite2>. Pretty much a textbook example of OR. TheronJ 15:29, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete pretty much a textbook example of what we mean by "original research". Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Original research, not NPOV...AfD candidates don't come much more clear-cut than this. -Elmer Clark 21:41, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Yomangani and just about everybody else. --Richard 07:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.