Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Burnside, New South Wales

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The result of the debate was redirect and merge to Oatlands, New South Wales. -- Joolz 16:13, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Burnside, New South Wales

Was listed for speedy deletion but is not a speedy candidate. No vote from me. Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 11:15, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

• Keep - substub with very limited info, but info all the same which could potentially be of use. Also has the potential to be expanded.CLW 12:02, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
• Precedent is that suburbs should be listed under the city they are in. Delete Pilatus 12:13, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per CLW. Kappa 14:04, 11 September 2005 (UTC) delete Kappa 03:10, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
• Strong keep provided such a municipality exists. — JIP | Talk 16:17, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep All real communities. CalJW 19:05, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, because this suburb does not appear to exist:
  • There is a state government body that defines suburbs called the Geographical Names Board of NSW. You can search their database, and I encourage you to do exactly that, because it will reveal there is no suburb called "Burnside". (There is a "Burnside Public School", but no suburb or locality of that name).
  • There is a federal government body called Geoscience Australia, which is "the national agency for geoscience research and geospatial information", and it has a database on place names of Australia, which you can search here, and I encourage you to do exactly that, because it will reveal there is no suburb called "Burnside". (Tip: State needs to be "NSW", and "FEATURE CODE" needs to be "SUB" for a suburb, or at the very least "LOCA" or "LOCB" for a locality)
  • Street Directory: The definitive Sydney street directory is called the UBD, and it contains a comprehensive list of "Suburbs and Localities". This list does not contain any entry for "Burnside".
  • When I asked the person who added these suburbs about this, they indicated there was "a bit of gunk" in the data they were using.
  • This suburb is not shown in the map Baulkham Hill Shire provides of it's own boundaries, nor is it listed in the list of shire suburbs names and their origins.
  • The current list of Sydney suburbs should be fairly complete and definitive (errors and omissions can happen of course, but I'd venture to say it's now > 95% accurate), and myself and others have put a lot of effort into making it as accurate as we can, so if something is not on that list then it's most probably not a suburb.
  • For all of the above factual reasons, I encourage you to delete this entry. -- All the best, Nickj (t) 00:16, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per Nickj. Not listed in the Suburbs or Localities list in the Gregory's Street Directory. Capitalistroadster 00:23, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
• Change vote to delete as per Nickj CLW 05:29, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete and thanks to Nickj for documenting these in a way that makes them verifiable by other Wikipedians. --DavidConrad 06:02, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
• I have changed the article to reflect the unofficial use of the name. My knowledge is based on living in the are when i) I was too young to remember much and ii) the Homes were still operating. I don't know how much the name is used now. No vote yet. JPD 09:12, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Comment. I have had a look at JPD's edits although not berified. If verified they would warrant at least a merge with Oatlands, New South Wales reflecting a local name as shown in the Primary School. Capitalistroadster 10:16, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

GNB itself gives the primary school: [1]. The school website gives a little bit of the history. The Burnside site doesn't give many details of the history. Google search says that real estate agents use the name. It's not clear how much of the area is in Oatlands, and how much in North Parramatta, but then Oatlands is a fairly new suburb name (it didn't exist when I lived there). JPD 11:05, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

• Change vote to abstain further to JPD's added information, as I no longer feel that I can make a judgment either way without any personal knowledge of the area. CLW
• Redirect as per Nickj. --nixie 11:17, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect as per Nickj and Petaholmes. Ambi 11:35, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
• Change my vote to redirect and merge with Oatlands, based on JPD's research, partial local knowledge, and the recent update that JPD has made. -- All the best, Nickj (t) 00:26, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
• Change my vote to abstain. Like CLW, I no longer feel competent to make a judgment on this, but I think it's great the amount of research that folks have done on this. It should probably be retained in one article or the other, I'm just not sure which. --DavidConrad 04:54, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect and merge - I am convinced Oatlands is the best place for it. JPD 09:59, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect and merge to/with Oatlands. Burnside is commonly used as the name for one particular estate within Oatlands. --Daveb 04:34, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect per JPD. --bainer (talk) 13:35, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

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