Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bob and George (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 07:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bob and George

In 2003 there was an AFD with no consensus. I see some subcomic of this being deleted and I check this and I see that it clearly fails WP:WEB. It's another NN webcomic. Anomo 02:16, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. This comic is simmilar to Penny Arcade or PvP in that it's a popular webcomic with a large following that's had an influance on other comics. It's noteworthy in the same sense that the two mention comics are.Neito
• Delete, speedy if possible - no real assertion of notability apart from being around for six years. MER-C 03:06, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - I would have tagged this with {{unsourced}} and {{importance}} first. As someone who's been deleting webcomics for absolutely ages, I think this is one of the popular ones. - Hahnchen 03:46, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
  • You might be interested in this. - Hahnchen 03:52, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete Long-running and popular (by internet sprite-comic standards), but I don't see the multiple non-trivial media mentions that would help it pass WP:WEB. Can you believe we also have subarticles Characters of Bob and George and Storyline of Bob and George? Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 04:24, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and clean up. This is one of the few actually notable webcomics, as shown by 35,100 Google hits (searching for "Bob and George" comic, and quite a few of them appear to be relevant), the Wired News article on it provided by Hahnchen, and this source, which indicates that the site gets 1.5 million visitors each month. The various Google hits include multiple sites that indicate that it was one of the first successful sprite comics. --Coredesat 04:45, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep might as well AfD Sinfest or Penny Arcade while you're at it. Danny Lilithborne 11:57, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep seems notable enough. - Mike | Talk 15:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and clean as per Coredesat. -- FaerieInGrey 00:32, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
• Comment This is the one Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Karnak Hates Everything Show that people wanted to get rid of; it was a subcomic of this one. Anomo 00:47, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Even ignoring the reasonably large readership, Bob and George is notable for it's influence on promoting sprite comics as a viable comic form. Brian Clevinger (of the incredibly popular 8-Bit Theater) was directly influenced to start his comic on seeing BnG link
• Weakish Delete The Wired News source is a good start for suggesting this is at least a borderline case, but I'd like to see more reliable sources. Note that we don't decide what is a "reasonably large readership" or what web site is "notable for." We rely on reliable sources (like Wired News) to do that for us. Also, the sub articles are overkill. -- Dragonfiend 22:03, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep First of all, I will admit, I am somewhat biased... I am a member of and staff on the Bob and George forums, and of course a reader of the comic (although, obviously, simply being a reader of the comic should not automatically imply bias). However, I am a perfectly intelligent, self-respecting person, so please don't consider my argument automatically vanity (I don't really get some sense of pride from the five or six degrees of seperation between the article and myself). I agree that it is well-known enough to be significant, and more-so it was the first comic to spawn the trend of sprite comics (there are arguments of it being the first sprite comic ever, but that is another discussion altogether - almost all if not all current sprite comics can trace existance back to Bob and George, even if through others like 8-Bit Theater, which directly credits Anez). It is an important part of the history of internet sub-culture. Even if it is not notable to Johnny Everyman walking down the street, it is notable within the online comic community - as explained in an interview in Comixpedia or an article (admittedly, about 8BT but discussing the significance of BnG in the introduction) The Webcomics Examiner. Also, I feel the need to say that there is no reason that a subcomic being non-notable reflects on the main comic. There have been more than 10 subcomics in the history of the site, not to mention non-'comic' sub sections such as art pages, so of course they are less notable than Bob and George itself. That is completely irrelevant to whether Bob and George stands on its own itself. Now, if you feel the article is larger than the comic's significance would warrant, you may have some case. I was honestly surprised at how much information there is in this page, and probably some of it is fancruft (there is in fact a wikia page for the site). The key, however, is that if you feel this way, it should be cleaned up, not deleted. --Author X 22:51, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, Pretty Notable, Derktar 05:01, 23 October 2006 (UTC).
• Keep. It's the father of sprite comics, man. Joshua368 14:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
• Strong KeepNot only is it one of the first sprite comics which inspired many more sprite comics,there are Wikipedia articles relating to Bob and George,such as Storyline of Bob and George and Characters of Bob and George.Cake and Biscuits 15:12, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep This is the comic that started Spirte Comics. Pata Hikari 17:16, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep If nothing else, notable simply for the effect it had on others. Also, more press coverage can be found here in an article from the Kentucky Kernel.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 03:30, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep This article is necessary as an example of a popular Sprite_Comic, seeing how it was an inspiration for a number of them. Halfling Daniel 19:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete whole series unless notability is asserted and sourced, Tewfik^Talk 01:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep- Bob and George is an awesome comic. Please keep the article for newer fans. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.12.116.73 (talk • contribs) 03:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
• Clear Keep - among the most important webcomics, both historically and artistically. Phil Sandifer 04:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.