Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bluevale Collegiate Institute

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep Marskell 23:47, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bluevale Collegiate Institute

• Retract Nomination for Deletion Paul Cyr 03:16, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per nomination Bwithh 04:05, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. There is a clear precedent, certainly with respect to High Schools. Not a single High School nominated for AfD/VfD has been deleted in over six months.--Nicodemus75 06:10, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

However if a highschool is nondistinguished, it doesn't deserve its own page. That said the article has been updated to show notability. Paul Cyr 21:46, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

• Keep Seems to have a number of notable alumni, particularly in sports. But most imporantly, it's a verifiable school. --rob 06:58, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep. As already mentioned by Nicodemus, not a single secondary school has been deleted in the past six months, please stop nominating them so that our valuable time and resources may be devoted elsewhere. Silensor 07:17, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

The article which you linked to is not a Wikipedia Policy. In that same article the arguements for deletion include my reason for the nomination. However the article has been updated to show notability so I've retracted my nomination for deletion Paul Cyr 21:46, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

• Keep, decent article about a resonably shown notable school. Gateman1997 07:24, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, established school. Kappa 07:34, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
• Just because there's been a clear precedent that keep voters keep such articles from being deleted, doesn't mean there's a concensus to keep them. Still, deleting a school which has numerous notable alumni is insanity. Strong keep. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:11, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Please do not nominate any more schools as it just wastes time which could be put to better use. CalJW 12:44, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

If a highschool is nondistinguished it doesn't deserve its own article. That said, the article has been updated to show notability. Paul Cyr 21:46, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

How is this nomination a waste of time? No one is required to be here. Since you feel it's a foregone conclusion this article will be kept, you needn't bother voting. Denni☯ 03:34, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

• Keep Please do not nominate any more schools as it just wastes time which could be put to better use. Trollderella 20:09, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

If a highschool is nondistinguished it doesn't deserve its own article. That said, the article has been updated to show notability. Paul Cyr 21:46, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Sometimes it takes more than 7 hours (time before nomination) for an article to be improved to "show notability". Also on you're user page you indicate you're from Cameron Heights Collegiate Institute (also in Waterloo Region District), which you chose to enhance, rather than nominate. Please don't assume a school is non-notable, just because it's not yours. As things stand now, this one seems quite a bit more notable (though that could easily change). --rob 22:10, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

As usual, it seems necessary to point out that there is nothing in the deletion criteria about notability. Trollderella 23:00, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

There's a speedy criterion for people who's article doesn't assert why they're notable. It's only logical to extend this to buildings and organizations. We're already deleting unremarkable bands. While a bad article may be improved, it's a fact that a lot of school articles remain hideous stubs with a complete lack of encyclopedic information (Wikipedia articles are not placeholders). The best way to avoid these discussions is to write articles which assert notability to those who don't think high schools are inherently notable. Listing notable alumni and well-known school sports teams is a good way to start on this. - Mgm|^(talk) 07:42, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

There is really no need to do this. If you feel the school article is a very small stub, and somehow that irritates you, then simply merge them up into the next level of school district etc until you have an article that satisfies your aesthetic. No deletion required. Trollderella 17:03, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. High schools are notable. Andrew pmk | Talk 01:28, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
• Weak keep because of its sports faculty and alumni list. Otherwise this article shows the same dismal lack of information as most school articles. Denni☯ 03:26, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Feel free to point to some school articles you've made or substantially improved, so we can all learn from your experience on making good school articles. --rob 03:45, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
    • It is not my responsibility to improve articles that others have started and then dropped. It is my contention that if a school is important enough to write about, then bloody well include some important information. If it's not, then don't waste useful CPU cycles and server space. We ask this of all other articles; why are you so perversely opposed to maintaining the same standard for schools? Denni☯ 01:19, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
• Comment. Even though this debate looks headed for a clear "keep" result, please don't remove the AFD tag until the debate has closed. As long as the debate is ongoing, let the tag stay. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:02, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
• Comment: I think it's not so much a matter of the debate leaning to keep, it's that it was the nominator themselves who retracted it. If I or others "keepers" removed it, that would be bad, but if the nominator does it, I think that's widely accepted. But, if there's objection to removal (as there is now), then it should now stay. --rob 07:09, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Nominating schools is a waste of our time. Hipocrite - «Talk» 15:30, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Then don't visit the AfD page. Paul Cyr 19:22, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

If we didn't visit the AFD page, this article would have been deleted, and something of value would be lost. So visiting here, made a difference, as it often does. However, nominations for deletion accomplish nothing. Notice how this one-line sub-stub was turned into a useful stub without an AFD. That is what we should be doing with school articles, improving them, not nominating them. --rob 23:53, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

If we didn't visit the AFD page, this article would have been deleted, and something of value would be lost. However that is a double-edged sword; the same could be said for any article with the possibility of improvement.

• keep and please stop nominating schools like this is really is a waste of time so why do it Yuckfoo 17:22, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Because at the time of nomination the school showed no notability. Paul Cyr 19:22, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

ok but school articles are never erased here so why not try to make the article better instead Yuckfoo 21:26, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

• Keep, verifiable. (I used to go to that school and I didn't know half of the stuff in the article, so good job). JYolkowski // talk 22:54, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.