Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blue Canoe Records

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Xoloz 03:37, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blue Canoe Records

Non notable record producer label. The only author who did major contributions is User:Bluecanoe who is obviously using Wikipedia to promote itself and it's only "notable" artist Joseph Patrick Moore whose page is also listed for deletion for notability reasons. Ryulong 22:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I am also listing Decade 1996-2005 because it is the only album listed under this self-promoting label. Ryulong 22:28, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

• Should be Speedily Deleted per creator's request (below). ~ trialsanderrors 02:27, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Naconkantari 23:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --InShaneee 23:45, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
• Above editors are incorrect we have 10 artists and it's growing. Joseph was the first on the list that deserved by your guidelines to be considered. If you find it objectionable, then pull article. My name is Karen Frieske and I'm the EXECUTIVE PRODUCER of THIS LABEL AND I CAN CITE THIS HERE:http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&searchlink=KAREN|FRIESKE&sql=11:4b851va4zzva~T4

  What is objectionable about this entry? Ryulong Our entry has followed your guidelines......... Karen Frieske, Executive Producer of Blue Canoe Records

• Comment Your contributions to this enyclopedia are objectionable because you, Ms. Frieske, have the same user name as the record label that you work for. With these contributions, including your repeated insertions of this, Mr. Moore's, and Moore's album into more reputable articles are done in a way that seems to me that you are treating Wikipedia as an advertising service, which it is NOT. Ryulong 03:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
• Can you Help?Not advertising here Ryulong...just stating facts which are backed up by your guidelines. Being the exectuive producer, I would know more than most about our record label. I'm not spamming and I'm not using this as a soapbox. I've spent the last 72 two hours pouring over your guidelines, correcting posts, adding links, emailing your editors and in return all i get is negative feedback. It seems to me that you should point out HOW I CAN FIX these opinions so we can have an entry on wikipedia or please simply pull this off. I respect Wikipedia and I respect all the editors who work tirelessly to keep your encyclopedia to a high standard. I only wish that you Ryulong would provide us with the necessary information to HELP us instead of your own personal negative slant towards us. Blue Canoe Records is a respectable label, I only wish that you would find it in your heart to see this. I speak the truth and I stand by this and everything I've added to this free Wikipedia Encyclpedia. Will you please, reconisder your opionon? Karen Frieske, Executive Producer of Blue Canoe Records
  • A large amount of my issues with your contributions that you are pushing your label, its artist(s), and their album(s) as being notable in their areas of interest, which from what I know, is not the truth. A large amount of your edits put Mr. Moore onto lists of other reputable musical artists within articles, listing him along side Geddy Lee and John Entwistle, among others. Your contributions about your label are severely questionable as to assert the notability of those within. I'm afraid that I cannot think of any way to help you to have these articles stay within Wikipedia, and I apologize for that. Ryulong 04:09, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
• Ryulong i looked at those pages you cited and I don't see Joseph's name on those pages. You are accusing us of adding things we didn't add. Joseph is a bass guitarist and obviously so is the two gentleman you cited. According to your post above, you are asserting that our contributions are not true and that we are posting false info and our embellishing our own personal opions here. Last time I checked Joseph was a bass player and darn good one at that. He is #25 out of the top #100 as posted by an outside source:http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_jazz/best_jazzbass.html

  So now you know. For the record...I stand by what I post and by your guidelines set forth in your credible and amazing enclcyopedia.

  Thank you for your fair consideration.......................Karen Frieske, Executive Producer of Blue Canoe Records

  • First, stop making your comments headers. They disrupt the AFD logs. Second, sign your comments by placing ~~~~ at the end of your comments. Third, you did not add Joseph's name to the pages for Geddy Lee or John Entwistle, but you added him to lists where they were also listed, such as Bass guitar, List of bass guitarists, and the alumni list for University of Tennessee. I went through where his article was listed and removed him from these lists because of the dubiousness of his notability, which is still being questioned (I did not remove the listing at U Tennessee, but another editor who felt the same way did, as well). Once again, I have nothing against your company and anyone involved withit, but I do have something against people who feel that they are important enough for mentioning on Wikipedia, which has been lauded by some as an unreliable resource because of editors who wish to do nothing but advertise, which your actions I felt to be as such. Ryulong 04:33, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • why are you pulling links on your own accord Ryulong, I respectful disagree. I've stated the facts. Joseph is an alumni of UTK and he does play bass guitar. Again all of which are BACKED up and cited on NUMEROUS sites that we've supplied links to (both external and internal). The fact that your pulling things on your own free will out of the encyclopedia that are indeed fact's, really questions the true validity of Wikipedia. Thank you for your consideration. Signed Blue CanoeKaren Frieske, Executive Producer of Blue Canoe Records
    • He may be a bassist, but because of his (so far) lack of notability, I had removed him from the various lists and articles where you had inserted him. Ryulong 04:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
    • #1 on EMusic.com's Most downloaded Artist in the Jam/Rock Genre for the month of july at the second most digital downloading store (behind itunes):http://www.emusic.com/charts/ch/b/-dbm/b/0-0/556+1200000404/0.html
      It seems to me for what I know, Geddy Lee and John Entwistle (which you cited above) is also considered Rock/Jam bassists and would fall under this same catagory....Ryulong Is this a lack of notability?
      Again, I stand by what I've been saying on the last 30 posts to you...I state the facts here. I'm not spamming nor am I advertising, because we don't need to do this, as we are having success without abusing or spamming credible bodies of work such as wikipedia. I'm simple citing articles of notable artists that met the guidelines of which you have put forth. Karen Frieske, Executive Producer of Blue Canoe Records
      • I have heard of Geddy Lee and John Entwistle, and they are established musical artists. I have never heard of Joseph Patrick Moore until I found him listed on WP:AFD. They are internationally renowned bass guitarists. From all standpoints, Mr. Moore is not. Ryulong 05:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
      • Ok , I think I've proved my point about your negative slant and non-helpfulness towards Joseph and Blue Canoe Records as stated by your comments above. You would rather impose your own personal opinion, which seems to go against the very guidelines which you have set forth. It appears that many other people are familiar with Joseph his music and his contributions to both the world of bass and beyond. If this wasn't so, his CD would not be #1 of the most downloaded CD's on emusic.com's rock charts as well as in the top 10 out of 9,000 on the jazz charts, in addition to all the numerous links we have provided. The fact that he has a CD titled "Decade 1996-2005" should offer some sense of notability, credibility and thoughtfullness as to your guidelines. I regret that you have taken upon yourself to insert your own opinions as opposed to doing what you we're hired to do, which was to fact check and see that the info posted can be verified. Instead you removed links that are credible and could be of value to many wikipedia's visitors. I have made every effort to provide plenty of internal and external links to varify the article. I have met wikipedia's guidelines while not full-filling your own personal opionion's. Karen Frieske, Executive Producer of Blue Canoe Records
        • I am not imposing a personal opinion. If there are others who know about Joseph Patrick Moore and Blue Canoe Records, they are free to edit the encyclopedia as well. It is just that you are the sole contributor to the articles connected to the record label that you work for, and are promoting this artist by placing him elsewhere in the encyclopedia when his notability is in question by others. If he is notable, then yes, he deserves a mention at List of bass guitarists as well as his alma mater, but he does not need to be mentioned in the actual article for the Bass guitar or other various guitars. Ryulong 05:28, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I agree. However this entry has been in wikipedia for 3 days and in that time, we have been working to met your guidelines. Give it some time, I'm sure others will add to Joseph's listing-that is if you decide to keep it.Karen Frieske, Executive Producer of Blue Canoe Records
• Delete per WP:AUTO, WP:NN. Only news item is a press release. My comment to Ms. Frieske is to not try to push her label or artists on Wikipedia. If they're notable, someone else will do it. ~ trialsanderrors 08:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • That's meant to read some other individual, not a sockpuppet of the page creator. ~ trialsanderrors 19:53, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete strongly agree with Trialsanderrors. Nathan Beach 17:08, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete non notable, and the Blue Canoe user keeps blanking the page. --Awiseman 17:36, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
• KEEP Don't understand above posts? Looks like there is plenty of verifiable sources and notability on this CD release. --Sallyroberts28

That's because you're a sock puppet adding links to "your favorite cd", which just happens to be this guy. Strange that User:Bobj7 has the exact same kind of edit summaries when he adds links to his "favorite CD" - [1]--Awiseman 19:40, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

As the Executive Producer for Blue Canoe Records, I would like to REMOVE our label listing Blue Canoe Records from Wikipedia. It is obvious from the editors posts that our label is not ready to be listed at this time. On behalf of Blue Canoe Records I appreciate your time and attention to this article. Thank you for your consideration-Karen Frieske. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bluecanoe (talk • contribs).

• Comment Nominations cannot be withdrawn. Capit 19:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I think she means she wants the article to be deleted. Right? --Awiseman 20:03, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I think that's a speedy, creator requests removal. ~ trialsanderrors 20:04, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Bah, that means I'll have to start another AfD for the two sockpuppets' "favorite CDs" that belong with this, then. Ryulong 20:12, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... Alone Together should definitely be deleted. There are two other artists where this links to, including Tony Orlando's discography. Ryulong 21:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I think you should list those two albums separately and let this one be speedied. ~ trialsanderrors 01:51, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, they are now listed separately. Ryulong 02:07, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

• At 14:47 I asked for our account to be deleted. The spam from the sock-hoppers occured after this (as I have been doing some investigating of my own). Does this make sense? Why would I ask for the Blue Canoe Records account to be deleted and at the same-time be orchestrating some sort of mischievous campaign? This is clearly a cruel joke!! I will wait patiently for the account to go through the deletion process. bluecanoe
• Delete, as the creator wants it deleted. However, I don't think it qualifies under CSD:G7, as it was not created by mistake. Stifle (talk) 18:29, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, per above. OSU80 23:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.