Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Black Iron Prison

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was merge and redirect to VALIS. --bainer (talk) 01:20, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Black Iron Prison

This is, irreparably, the author's POV. It may or may not be a valid philosophical concept, but it is the author's view of the universe. It's not provable or disprovable, at least by Wikipedia methods (i.e., looking it up). The only nonoriginal element is the reference from the Philip K. Dick story, which I don't think is notable by itself. NawlinWiki 04:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. I've looked it over and it's pretty POV and sort of incomprehensible. If someone wanted to write an article on the concept, that would be okay--this is not that. Devotchka 04:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. That is really fascinating in its incomprehensability! He has some interesting things to say, and I do not necessarily disagree with him, but it is not the least bit encyclopaedic. --Charles 05:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• See comment below. --Charles 17:23, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, fails WP:NOR. RGTraynor 05:20, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• delete NOR Wombdpsw 05:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete It looks like original research because it doesn't cite any sources. Cheers. --Starionwolf 05:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, original research, POV fork. --Terence Ong 06:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete: this is word salad. Smerdis of Tlön 14:04, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Abstain, see comment below. Smerdis of Tlön 13:43, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete WP:NOR Avi 15:17, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep Am struggling with this article a little, partly because it's my first one and partly because the concept is rather involved. A little understanding would be greatly appreciated. I appreciate that it is not particularly well-written at this stage. Will amend article and start again... Horselover Fat 04:41, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - What are your grounds for claiming the article should be kept? RGTraynor 21:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - Prior versions of the article did not at all make it clear that this was a fictional concept from the writings of Philip K. Dick. The text now at the article may be very different from the text once read. Smerdis of Tlön 13:43, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Just misses several speedy criterion. I can't make any sense of this. No prejudice against a real article about this concept. Grandmasterka 05:30, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to VALIS or Exegesis (book). "Black Iron Prison" is synonymous with the demiurge and is a notable search term related to the Gnosticism of Philip K. Dick, but does not currently require a separate article. I'm a little embarrassed by the comments made by others above, as they are so off the mark. Yes, AfD is completely broken and needs to be fixed--thanks for reminding me. —Viriditas | Talk 11:58, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• Merge The article shows notable improvement, and I agree with the merger proposed by Viriditas. --Charles 17:23, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• Merge Article has improved, so merge per Viriditas. - CNichols 19:34, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.