Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Belgian Strong Dark Ale

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 02:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Belgian Strong Dark Ale

Belgian Strong Dark Ale (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

this is a category created for home-brewers, it has no basis in real life Mikebe 15:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. What are you trying to say? It isn't a category, and only being relevant in home brewing doesn't mean it has no basis in real life. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 15:41, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

OK. Where can I buy a bottle? I'd like to try it. Mikebe 15:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. It isn't only relevant for homebrewers. It has major acceptance as a beer category, if not a true "style", all across North America (see the BeerAdvocate link, for instance), and probably elsewhere where tastes are not so refined and the number of beers in the style that are available is not so great (i.e. the further away from Belgium you get) that the main style can be broken down into useful smaller styles (where if one were to break down the style, one couldn't ever compare beers, since they'd each be of a different style). And after all that, even if it was only relevant to homebrewing, that would be enough to warrant an article. It's verifiable, referenced, not POV (since it explains its possible non-acceptance in Europe), and plain old encyclopedic. _└ ^OzLawyer / _talk ^┐ 15:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

• If it is a North American "category" why is it called Belgian Strong Dark Ale. Remove "Belgian" and I'll withdraw the nomination for deletion.Mikebe 16:06, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

• Comment "Belgian" clearly refers to "in the Belgian style". The first sentence of the article makes that abundantly clear. It could possibly be moved to "Belgian-style" (although "Belgian Strong Dark Ale" is by far the most common name), but it obviously cannot be moved to simply "Strong Dark Ale", since that term misses a major aspect and is not what it is called (we cannot invent terms here on Wikipedia). _└ ^OzLawyer / _talk ^┐ 16:15, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

• Why are they called "french fries"? Why are they called "english muffins"? —Wrathchild ^(talk) 20:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. The references supplied substantiate that this label is in fact meaningful, even if its use is confined to brewing competitions in the USA. If this is in fact so, this information should be added to the article. Nothing here really makes a case for deleting it. - Smerdis of Tlön 16:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Terence Ong 17:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Afd is yet another product of a user disruptively confusing "real life" with his opinion. — goethean ॐ 22:12, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Belgium exports several excellent beers to the U.S and some are dark. What is the issue here? That Americans should not/could not brew their own similar ones? Edison 00:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Article is sourced, and I simply see no valid reason being given for deletion.--Isotope23 16:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.