Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Becky's Diner

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. The keep argument is that the diner surpasses the notability guidelines at WP:CORP, which (I've checked) is absolutely correct. The delete argument is made by only two people, each with different reasoning. Cini (talk • contribs) points to the article being unverifiable which, it must be said, doesn't appear to be the case from what I can tell. Calton (talk • contribs) complains of a lack of Google hits, and he's quite right — but real, live publications that get the article past WP:CORP trumps the Google test any day. Calton's argument is strong, which is why I'm closing as "no consensus" instead of a straight out "keep". If you disagree, DRV is as always -----------------------> that way. Cheers, fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 15:33, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Becky's Diner

prodded by User:Rory096 which was removed so bringing it to AfD. Yes, it's a diner folks. Nn - suggest Delete Eusebeus 14:24, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, wrongly deprodded by a chronic deprodding user. Kuzaar 14:46, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment. There's no such thing as wrongly deprodding an article. The rationale was that is appeared to be notable as it states the diner was featured on FoodTV and in a food magazine. You may disagree that it makes it notable enough to keep, or have concerns about verifying the claim, but that doesn't make removing the prod tag "wrong." Thatcher131 00:11, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Response. Why I call it wrong is that the contesting user decided to demand consensus on an article that doesn't even toe the line of notability. If you look at the discussion here you can see that the consensus points to a resounding "delete", and my issue is that the extra work of the editors that listed the article here and then voted could have been better spent improving Wikipedia in other ways; that's why I call it wrongly removed. Kuzaar 19:36, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete under the rationale that, um, it's a diner. -- Kicking222 14:48, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep being featured on the Food Network can be considered as establishing at least marginal notability. Hirudo 15:32, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Delete Issues with verifiability prevent me from keeping.--Cini 15:53, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Non notable local business.Obina 16:13, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete, it's just a diner that someone on a show ate in. Not notable. --Rory096_(block) 16:49, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Changing to neutral. While they have been mentioned in several places (including a small bit in the New York Times), they're apparently paying Food Network anyway, and they have just 518 Google hits. --Rory096_(block) 20:07, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete, nn, or more correctly - REALLY NN -, San Saba 17:19, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete NN, looks like an ad to me. Shijaz 18:52, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, shouldn't this kind of stuff be speedy deleted? -- Heptor _talk 22:02, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete speedy. Improper use of AfD. Nothin' to vote for. --MaNeMeBasat 05:00, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Wikipedia is not a travel guide, nor is it free advertising space. --Icarus 06:32, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
• Strongest Keep, meets WP:CORP with multiple media mentions (Gourmet Magazine and Frommers, Food TV). The official website also lists mentions in Esquire and the book Eat Your Way Across the USA. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 14:20, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Notable enough ℬastique▼^parℓer♥^voir♑ 20:10, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep, bad faith nomination. Eusebeus is systematically bringing disputed prods to AfD without regard to merits of dispute. Monicasdude 14:15, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Trying out those mind-reading courses you took? The money would have been better spent on anger-management classes. --Calton | Talk 06:15, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Please try to assume good faith, Monicasdude. I know it's tempting to jump straight for thinking the worst of people at times, but this is Wikipedia. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 15:36, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Minorly famous. The Gourmet reference, I ought to point out, is from Jane and Michael Stern's "Roadfood" column, their look at backroads diners and other vernacular places.

Meanwhile, checking and comparing search results for "Becky's Diner" with other, actually famous restaurants:

Restaurant	Google hits overall	Google hits unique	Yahoo!
"Chez Panisse" -book -cookbook	161,000	773	78,800
"The French Laundry" -book -cookbook	89,400	718	52,100
"Charlie Trotter's" -book -cookbook	92,400	694	32,300
"Becky's Diner"	528	203	346

Doesn't compare very well. Hmm, but those are too upscale, you say? Okay, let's go downscale, using the type of eating places the Sterns have raved about in their Roadfood books and columns:

Restaurant	Google hits overall	Google hits unique	Yahoo!
"Mary Mac's Tea Room"	56,500	350	2,450
"Swan Oyster Depot"	50,100	397	13,300
"Arthur Bryant's"	38,600	514	25,600
"Doe's Eat Place"	15,500	422	1,790
"Sylvia's restaurant"	12,300	438	1,820
"Becky's Diner"	528	203	346

Still falling short, it appears. --Calton | Talk 06:15, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

So you don't think WP:CORP applies? --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 12:33, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.