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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep, real town. Ganeshk (talk) 15:46, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Badarka

I want to clarify one thing, that prominent freedom fighter Chandrashekhar 'Azad' was born in Bhawra Tehsil of Jhabua district in Madhya Pradesh. It is a fact. His father Pandit Sitaram Tiwari had his roots in Badarka village. But it is wrong to mention here that Badarka is birth place of Chandrashekhar 'Azad'. Amod Bhagwat.

Nomination withdrawn by Vikas Kumar Ojha in comment below 21:50, 28 September 2006. --Mereda 06:58, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

The reasons for the Afd Nomination are the following:

  • This article is less than a stub. It is 25 words long. The article is too insignificant to be eligible for an entry as an article in Wikipedia.
  • It is mentioned that Chandrasekhar Tiwari alias Chandrasekhar Azad (Indian Freedom Fighter) was born in this village. Wikipedia article of Chandrasekhar Azad (and history, for that matter) says he was born in Bhawra (Jhabua, M.P.). Thus this article is in absolute contradiction with one of the articles in Wikipedia.
  • There is practically no information, no sources and no facts about the place other than its name. One cannot be sure if even that is correct.
  • No article links to this entry.

Vikas Kumar Ojha Talk to me! 22:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Whatever the outcome of this discussion, I request the administrators to allow me to write an End note before the debate is closed. Thanks.--Vikas Kumar Ojha Talk to me! 11:03, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Exceptionally weak keep - it's usually held that any place with a name is notable, and I think this is the case regardless of size. That said, it would need to be verified to show that it actually does exist. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 22:51, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Comment: Very difficult task. But we must also consider the incorrect claim to fame of the article.--Vikas Kumar Ojha Talk to me! 23:11, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Comment [http://www.liveindia.com/freedomfighters/chandrashekharazad.html

These] sources say that he was born in Badarka, but received his schooling in Bhawara. T REXspeak 23:39, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment: Your sources contradict each other. --Vikas Kumar Ojha Talk to me! 23:47, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Comment: These sources say he was born in Bhawra/Bhavra (Jhabua, M.P.).--Vikas Kumar Ojha Talk to me! 00:05, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment, my rationale for the weak keep was based on the fact that the place exists and has a name (TruthbringerToronto backs this up). The dispute over whether a famous person was born there is immaterial, since a place is not only notable as a result of a famous person being born there. The location of the gentleman's birth would only be relevant if there were no indication that this village exists. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 00:25, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. The evidence (including a list of Central Excise and Service Tax Location Codes) provdes that the village exists and probaby was the birthplace of Chandrasekhar Azad. Could someone consult a printed atlas or gazeteer of India and add any relevant information to this article? Even the latitude and longitude would be helpful, as well as a list of the crops grown there. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 00:11, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Comment: The 'evidence' noted above (Central Excise and Service Tax Location Codes) lists Badarka as being a part of Azamgarh range. The article lists Badarka as being a part of Unnao District. Unnao belongs to Lucknow division, not Azamgarh Division. These two Badarkas can be entirely different or I may be wrong. Please clarify.--Vikas Kumar Ojha Talk to me! 07:40, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Comment: There seems to be a controversy as to the birthplace of Chandrasekhar Azad. You have provided one link on the Badarka page saying he was born in Badarka. I have provided three link (including Wikipedia article on Chandrasekhar Azad) which says he was not born in Badarka. The Badarka article notes that it is a small village searching its identification. Do you have hope of finding it in an Atlas?--Vikas Kumar Ojha Talk to me! 07:40, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. Real place, some notability claimed. Length is no justification for deletion - I've seen articles less than half this size which should be kept. In fact, compared to a lot of the stub articles I've seen this is a pretty reasonable one. Grutness...wha? 06:55, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Comment: Sorry, the evidence of Badarka being a real place is still unproved. Even more disturbing is the incorrect 'claim to fame'. I don't think a 25 word article on a place whose existence is unknown/unproven should get a place in Wikipedia. I will be more than happy indeed if this Article can be expanded and some evidence included. Right now it is doing nothing but providing misinformation.--Vikas Kumar Ojha Talk to me! 07:58, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Response - for a village which may not exist, it gets quite a bit of press, especially from sources saying that it was Azad's birthplace, such as OneIndia News, India's National Congress Party, WebIndia123, OnlyPunjab.com, and [Central Chronicle. Several of these sites suggest that this mythical village was at the centre of centenary celebrations. Grutness...wha? 23:53, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Grutness, Please read Vikas's comment at the end of this AFD. He has voted for this article to be Speedy kept. - Ganeshk (talk) 00:01, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletions. -- Mereda 07:31, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: No body asked how I came to know about this article if it was not linked anywhere. I came to know about it while investigating Vandalism by the creator of this Article. While this may be irrelevant, it is worth mentioning. Fellow debators are encouraged to checkout the page of Adiyakt and his Talk page. --Vikas Kumar Ojha Talk to me! 07:59, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak delete. Wikipedia always keeps any location stub or article pending verifiability. Further, the burden of establishing verifiability is on the stub creator. I've done a Google search and come up with little. Maybe others could spend mroe time and verify that the town does exist. In that case I will change my stance. I would have taken the two references in the article to be legit, but there seems to be contradictory evidence on the location (and existence?) of this place per User:Vikas Kumar Ojha.--Antorjal 13:19, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment. Could someone please check this in an atlas of India, whether printed or online? --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 13:25, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong and Speedy Keep: The Varansi district government websites says the village exists and satisfies WP:V requirment for a reliable source. I don't understand why someone wants to delete a town article. Recently Ganguvarpatti went through the same process and Speedy Kept. - Ganeshk (talk) 16:24, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Comment: Please provide link for Varansi district government websites that you have mentioned above, so that fellow debators can check your claim. Googled but could not find it. According to the article, Badarka is not in Varanasi district, but in Unnao. More over nobody wants to delete a town article. The article says it is a small village searching its identity. Show me that there is a Badarka in Unnao significant enough for a seperate article in Wikipedia and I will relent.--Vikas Kumar Ojha Talk to me! 19:52, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
The link is in the article itself. It states Village:Badarka, District: Unno. If you visit varanasi.nic.in, it is the District of Varanasi's official website. - Ganeshk (talk) 20:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
One more link. But then you would ask whether is reliable. :) - Ganeshk (talk) 20:17, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Comment: No offence was intended in my comment Ganesh. :) --Vikas Kumar Ojha Talk to me! 21:50, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: Following the lead of Ganeshk, I found the following page: District of Unnao Official Page: Famous Personalities. Although this page only says that Chandrasekhar Azad belonged to village Badarqa [sic] where his parental house still exists, it conclusively proves that at least the village exists. May be that is enough to keep the article in Wikipedia. This article still contradicts the Wikipedia article on Chandrasekhar Azad. I apologize to every Wikipedian for wasting their time spent on this Afd. I hope you will forgive me, taking into consideration my lack of experience in Wikipedia. I call it a Speedy Keep. Please let me know if anything additional needs to be done for this although, as far as I know, the Afd tags ar generally removed by the Administrators. Thanks.--Vikas Kumar Ojha Talk to me! 21:50, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Speedy keep like the nominator says. Mereda 06:58, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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