Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aras (band)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. SushiGeek 07:25, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aras (band)

This band does not even come close to meeting WP:MUSIC Coren 05:38, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Joe 05:39, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per assertion in article that "The band doesn't have any label and released all albums with itself." --Fuhghettaboutit 05:55, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep I'd imagine it would be hard for an Iranian heavy metal act to get a record deal in Iran. Keep on the basis of it's a real band and Iranian heavy metal is an obscure genre. This is unique and there won't be a flood of Iran metal acts to wikipedia any time soon. Arbusto 06:04, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. I don't feel that Arbustoo's reasoning justifies keeping it. It's still non-notable, we can't give it special treatment because it's Iranian. Keppa 06:25, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment: So if I had an unsigned santur garage band with self-published albums but in America that would be encyclopedic?--Fuhghettaboutit 06:31, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

If santur was considered socially unacceptable in America, and thus being signed to a label would be nearly impossible and the very existence of your music seen as social protest bordering on rebellion, then obviously we couldn't apply exactly the same notability standards to your band as we would to, say, a santur band in Iran. --Hyperbole 07:08, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Iran currently has banned all western music from that country. Heavy metal is western. They are listed on heavy metal pages[1][2][3][4][5] Arbusto 07:08, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment If there are metal bands trying to grow in a country trying to repress them, that might make an interresting article (as I've suggested on Talk:Aras (band)), but that doesn't mean individual bands deserve their own pages. Coren 16:37, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

• Weak Delete I think heavy metal has a lower notability bar to clear in Iran. That said, there's really no assertion of notability in the article - this seems to be just one guy making some music by himself. --Hyperbole 07:08, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, fails WP:MUSIC. --Terence Ong 16:35, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, the only reason that the band doesn't have a label is because of the Islamic government in Iran. This band definitely has the ability and quality of obtaining a label but because the government is like that they can not get one. [[6]] I am sure that the members of Aras are in danger of being persecuted by the goverment because of the music they play. Joojoo 16:37, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

• Comment You just posted a link to the Myspace profile of a 20 year old girl from California. --Hyperbole 19:28, 22 April 2006 (UTC)--
• Comment sorry my bad [[7]] Joojoo 19:29, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

• • Comment I'm not sure that we can be certain that "the only reason the band doesn't have a label is because of the Islamic government in Iran"; such a claim seems, as most of the article, unverifiable. I am certain that, in the absence of verifiable outside sources, the argument may be essayed that such sources cannot exist because of the nature of the IRI, and that argument is likely altogether correct; nevertheless, notability can't be inferred simply in view of a band's having a MySpace page, and, where there are few (if any) outside sources, irrespective of the reason for that paucity, we likely shouldn't include the article. Joe 21:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete non notable band that as per nom doesn't meet WP:MUSIC even though I understand why there are record label issues due to oppression in Iran. Pegasus1138^{Talk | Contribs | Email} ---- 20:25, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per all above.Jcuk 21:14, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Delete probably not notable. Not particularly verifiable. Although this may be due to the country they live it. It doesn't mean that we want all the bands that released some stuff on their own to be included in WP. Spearhead 22:23, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per User:Joojoo ra. Just because they suffer under an oppressive regime doesn't mean they are not notable, and I'm for keeping the notability bar fairly low in such a corner case. TH 10:24, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete per Fughettaboutit with apologies to WP:CSB. Stifle (talk) 09:51, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.