Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anastasia De Sousa

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge with Dawson College shooting. —Centrx→talk • 00:14, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anastasia De Sousa

I don't wish to be insensitive, but the sole claim to notability here the reason for this woman's death. She's already named in the Dawson College shooting article. The bit about coming back to shoot her repeatedly is not mentioned in the only source listed. I don't think this is a particularly encyclopedic article. eaolson 23:47, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

• Merge into Dawson College shooting, per nominator. -- tariqabjotu 00:07, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Merge as per Frédérick Lacasse 01:25, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Comment If you ask this article for deletion, then we should do the same for some of the Columbine victims (at least several articles) were created on individual victims). As far as the article this should at least be merged with the main article. If though the article would become too long, that it should be kept as an individual page since we have occurence of individual pages of victims of other shootings for instance Columbine. No deletion what so ever--JForget 00:17, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. There are only two pages for Columbine victims (Laura Townsend's page actually redirects to an article on her mother, who was the subject of a Lifetime movie). Both have considerably more information than this article, and discuss in detail an urban legend that sprung up around them, and both have been the subjects of books written about them. This page was originally a eulogy/tribute to the deceased, which is a large reason of why I AfD'd it. eaolson 03:29, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I think this girl merits it like all the other pages. I agree with JForget. Jo9100 03:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Merge --Durin 05:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• No deletion - The subject is well notable because of the insicdent she was involved in. If it is consensually afreed upon that she does not deserve an article on wikipedia then info about her should be added to the article on the incident. Unitedroad 09:23, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Jo9100. NorthernThunder 10:08, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I agree 100% with eaolson, this article contains no encyclopedic merit. Icemuon 10:57, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Nothing to merge that isn't already in the main article. Wikipedia is not a memorial. Agent 86 17:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I agree with JForget. As for other victims having more information because of books and urban legends, I am sure these will come in their own time. If the page is there, there are more chances these will be recorded while if the page is not there, the recorder might not want to do it. It is there, it contains information, let us monitor it instead. Danleo 18:07, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: Wikipedia is also not a crystal ball. Agent 86 18:41, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect per above. An utter tragedy, but we don't generally have articles for every murder victim.--Cúchullain ^t/c 23:33, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete/redirect/merge -- We could fill this with the intricate biographical details of her life, but all that really matters is her death, which is sufficiently covered at the aforementioned articles. Dylan 03:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect --gumol 11:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and Redirect with condolences. A tragedy, but she doesn't meet WP:BIO and the information can be sufficiently gotten across in the article for the incident itself. -- Chabuk 21:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
• Merge into Dawson College shooting per nom. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk) 23:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
• Merge Regarding comments by Danleo, Wikipedia does not create news, nor should it be the testing ground for what is "valid" as news. Let others do that job, let wikipedia continue to be an open-source encyclopedia.Derekwriter 01:53, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I don't really know why we even have to discuss this. The guidelines for these cases are very clear: "Memorials. Wikipedia is not the place to honor departed friends and relatives. Subjects of encyclopedia articles must have a claim to fame besides being fondly remembered." --Frescard 04:42, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to Dawson College shooting and redirect. Mindmatrix 15:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
• Merge/redirect to Dawson College shooting. The victims in the École Polytechnique massacre, frex, are all handled this way, and as noted, the only Columbine victims with their own articles are the ones who subsequently had books written about them. Bearcat 16:01, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect. Wikipedia isn't for memorials, and an extensive description of victims is not suitable either, but people will likely search on her name for some time to come. -/- Warren 00:23, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Dawson College shooting. --Stéphane Charette 01:23, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Dawson College shooting. Resolute 20:15, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with Dawson College shooting. While she deserves to be remembered, the article is too lacking in any info to get its own page. 66.131.66.139 02:32, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
• Comment It's been 7 days. No decision yet? -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk) 23:35, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. Well I can really see that the majority are prefering about merging this article with the parent article Dawson College shooting I will put the template above--JForget 03:25, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect. If this page is merged with the Dawson page, then Kimveer Gill shall have his page merged as well. The killer does not deserve a memorial more than the victims.
  • Comment. I'd suggest that the article on Kimveer Gill is an article and not a memorial. If it is a memorial, it should be removed regardless of the outcome of the AfD, as that is not what Wikipedia is. eaolson 23:36, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia is not about memorializing people; it's an encyclopedia. Gill having his own article while De Sousa doesn't is not inconsistent with that. In fact, it's entirely consistent with any reasonable encyclopedia's policy on the notability of candidates for inclusion. Gill did something notable; De Sousa didn't. Just to clarify in case anybody misunderstands, "notable" does not mean "positive" or "good" — it means "significant". Bearcat 23:45, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Utterly, utterly non-notable person. Thousands of people are murdered every year. I can't believe that we're even having this discussion. Delete. Herostratus 07:03, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
• Merge into Dawson College shooting Simple. --Paulm27 23:56, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.