Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Global University School of Medicine

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 07:06, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] American Global University School of Medicine

Unnotable, unaccredited school. Claims to be based in Latin America with headquarters in Ohio. I get 119 yahoo hits. Arbusto 20:49, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. The only time an unaccredited "college" should get a Wikipedia article is when they're so well-known that the public deserves a warning. --Aaron 22:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete What Aaron said goes triple for medical schools. Edison 20:23, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: Per the proposed WP:SCHOOL guidelines, all post-secondary educational institutions are inherently notable. Also, the school is advertising quite heavily and untruthfully on sites frequented by those interested in international medical education (for example: [1]. This article should serve to highlight the truths regarding the school. There are a number of other articles which started out as blatant advertising for the school, but due to the hard work of editors, ended up presenting a more balanced view. Examples: St Matthews University and St Christopher Iba Mar Diop College of Medicine. Leuko 22:42, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think you should be voting keep based on the hope that a more balanced view will be presented. As you said it is "advertising quite heavily and untruthfully", but that's not really a reason to keep. Arbusto 01:34, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment: What I was saying was that it presented a more accurate view than the article originally posted by someone associated with the school - take a look through the page history. In any case, I still feel we should keep the article per Aaron's suggestion of duty to warn. Without independent fact finding, students may be duped into spending hundreds of thousands of dollars and years of their life attending a fraudulent school. Leuko 03:59, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I know that it presents an accurate view because I was the one who made those original changes about its accreditation status.[2] I don't see how its notable; its an article about what it isn't (accredited). Even if this article is deleted, like other diploma mills, it will remain on our List of unaccredited institutions of higher learning to let people know it isn't accredited. Arbusto 06:06, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment: If it is notable enough to be on the list of unaccredited institutions, then isn't it notable enough to have a blue link instead of a red link? Leuko 19:28, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Arbusto 01:36, 28 October 2006 (UTC) (UTC)

• Delete non-notable unaccredited school with a virtually contentless article. Opabinia regalis 02:56, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep: I find Leuko's argument convincing. Stammer 06:59, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Stammer is a new user. Arbusto 07:52, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment: And you feel that makes his/her opinion less worthy? If you are worried that it is me agreeing with myself, I invite you to do a checkuser. Perhaps we should entertain the notion that the nominator is associated with the school and wishes to remove what they consider negative press. Leuko 19:28, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Wikipedia is a spam heaven for these dodgy operations, they can look like a real school on first glance. --Dhartung | Talk 07:33, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment: Within the first sentence, the word "unaccredited" is used - I fail to see how someone could be confused. Leuko 19:28, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Agree with Djartung. However, if the article is kept how about including in bold at the top a warning that it's an unaccredited diploma mill and locking the entry permanently so it can't be altered. Emeraude 10:17, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Leuko. It meets all of Wikipedia's policies and WP:SCHOOLS. Cynical 21:44, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. If it's unaccredited, it should have to meet WP:CORP or otherwise assert notability. I don't see that it does. --JaimeLesMaths ^(talk!edits) 00:29, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: Well, it does claim to be accredited by the World Association of Universities and Colleges [3], but this is not a recognized accrediting body, since it seems the only barrier to accreditation is a $1,000 check. As for notability, it is described as a "top Caribbean medical school" by educationandjobsonline.com [4]. (I am not arguing that this is a WP:RS, just that it has been the topic of independent press). If this is the same American Global University formerly of Wyoming, then use of its degrees are banned in at least 3 states (Oregon [5], Texas [6], and Maine [7]). Leuko 01:08, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per above. --Kf4bdy ^{talk contribs} 02:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as Aaron AKAF 15:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Agree with Leuko. As with many of the articles linked on List of unaccredited institutions of higher learning, this article serves the useful function of informing anyone researching the school about its unaccredited status. Dryman 04:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep only if someone keeps this on their watchlist permanently and makes sure it doesn't revert into a gush page. (Iow, if no one responds to this comment, Delete) ~ trialsanderrors 07:58, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: It's on my watchlist, and I don't intend on removing it. Leuko 23:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

• Fixed. Thanks for babysitting. ~ trialsanderrors 23:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - some good information on these places is better than no information. BlueValour 23:31, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.