Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ali Ibrahim Kalyanaraman

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete. - Bobet 22:43, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ali Ibrahim Kalyanaraman

Non-notable as per WP:BIO: no Google hits on him or his supposed book on martyrdom. Sandstein 15:44, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. --Irishpunktom\^talk 16:50, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per well argued nomination. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 17:03, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete fails the professor test. Just zis Guy you know? 17:13, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete unless independently verified. Googling Martyrdom and Rebellion oddly enough mostly returns Jane Eyre! Dlyons493 Talk 17:13, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Apparently is is the same person as the recently prodded [1] Dlyons493 Talk 01:19, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Article needs NPOVing, but he certainly haves the 5000 audience in WP:BIO. Only since it doesnt show in the english google, it doesnt mean he is non-notable. How many hits for Martha Stuart do you think the Arabic Google gives? --Striver 17:21, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I absolutely accept the Google argument here, but some independent verification is necessary. The book must be in some libraries, for example, are any of their catalogues searchable? Dlyons493 Talk
• Delete the english google proves he's not-notable, because he works and lives in North America [2] Eivind 19:28, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Pecher ^Talk 20:59, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per User:Irishpunktom vote is serious, rationale isn't ... . — Adrian Lamo ·· 00:49, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - this article is related to the recently deleted non-notable article on Vadyar Kalyanaraman Shashtrigal which was apparently this individual's former name but the new name does not bring up any relevant hits on Google apart from three wikipedia-related items. There is also a linked original research article on Islamic Vedic studies which is being debated for deletion at [3]. Green Giant 01:12, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Dlyons493. If there were any evidence of notability, I would vote to keep with a cleanup tag. Melchoir 05:18, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete (unless evidence of notability is presented): Either he is actually non-notable, or his name has an alternate spelling, or the title of his book is wrong, because I can't find anything on WorldCat. Ardric47 07:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. -- Apparently is a Professor and has speeches on-line. Notable amongst Moslems.User:kornrow\ 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[4] [[5]]

• Keep. -- I authored the article, I believe like many in the Muslim community that he is notable and his book has been published but rights over the ISBN and UC Berkeley Press have been a problem--Also Vadyar Kalyanaraman though having a similar name is not his former name it is the name of his vedic instructor. User:afzalhussain\afzalhussain\ 8:35 March 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - How cute, new user Kornrow's first edit is to this debate [6]. The links provided only show the main pages of two Shia Muslim organisations, with no indication of any speeches by this individual. Perhaps Kornrow or Afzal Hussain could point to the relevant pages? Green Giant 04:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Fast Delete (in spite of evidence of notability presented): I found the speeches on two of the "Shia cites" that kornrow put up. I listened to the speeches and since I live in San Jose called over to the SABA, to find out about Ali Ibrahim, it turns out he is a Professor, that he was there at the Center when I called and I did speak with him, and he was surprised that he was on Wiki and asked for the article to be deleted. New User 14:47, 7 March 2006 (UTC) This comment was made by User:206.210.225.131. Sandstein 18:58, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. per Ardric47. unless evidence of notability is presented. ॐ Metta Bubble ^puff 06:57, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - Does it matter about notability when the man has requested the article to be deleted. I mean if he feels he is not notable, does it matter how many people as per Wiki rules... advise? Wikkid 10:34, 8 March 2006 (UTC)This comment was made by User:206.210.225.131. Sandstein 18:58, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, essentially, no, it doesn't matter whether the subject himself feels he's notable or not. Otherwise, we'd have to keep all vanity pages, where the author feels he's notable but most others think not. So essentially, all deletions require consensus on AfD irrespective of the article subject's wishes (which are only reported second-hand by you, incidentally). Exceptions are divine intervention or articles fulfilling the Criteria for speedy deletion. -- Please also note that you should sign all discussions thus: ~~~~. Do not try to create a signature for an user that does not exist, like the "Wikkid" signature above. Sandstein 18:58, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - Thanks sandstein, this though raises a problem, even though the authorship of the text is in question, the fact that these two muslim centers and who knows where else, may have more than 5000 parishiners sp? would that qualify. I don't know, when I talked to the guy, he was suprised like "online encyclopedia, what?" as if he would characterize himself as non-notable. I called back there and he is not there, apparantly he travels during these muslim calendar months to different mosques. Its seems to me like he's just not there as far as notability, we've had to search too hard to find evidence. Based on all this I think its better to delete it. 12:10, 9 March 2006 (UTC) ~~~~ This comment was made by User:206.210.225.131

• Delete, per nom. Also, red links voting keep delegitimize keep arguments.--Jersey Devil 23:34, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.