Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Akuma (mythology)

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The result of the debate was delete. Woohookitty 00:33, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Akuma (mythology)

Original research by Anonymous IP here: [1] later moved to here: Akuma (mythology). I vote delete. —Tokek 4 July 2005 22:26 (UTC)

• Delete unless somebody seriously expands or improves the page. I don't know about original research, but I wasn't able to verify the information, there are no sources given and notability is not established. --Moritz 4 July 2005 22:51 (UTC)
• Delete unverifiable. JamesBurns 5 July 2005 01:47 (UTC)
• I couldn't verify this from an authoritative source on Japanese Mythology, although it does get referenced a fair amount. If it turns out to be game-related, it should be merged somewhere under appropriate location. Anyway, I pass. — RJH 5 July 2005 15:17 (UTC)
• Keep Widely known name in Japanese culture. Word appears often in novels, television, film, etc. both as a translation of the word "devil" from English (and similarly from other Western languages) and in original Japanese fiction. Please note that the existence of akuma is not what needs verification; the existence of the concept of akuma is what does, and yes, it is both notable and verifiable, with more than 600,000 hits on Google. Important aspect of Japanese culture. Fg2 July 7, 2005 01:36 (UTC)

Comment Yes, devils appear in works of fiction, but they're as Japanese mythology as superman - that is, not at all. Swap "Japan", "akuma", and google count with any other country, translated word, etc, and your statement is most likely true. For example: (teufel is a) "Widely known name in German culture. Word appears often in novels, television, film, etc. both as a translation of the word "devil" from English (and similarly from other Western languages) and in original German fiction. Please note that the existence of teufel is not what needs verification; the existence of the concept of teufel is what does, and yes, it is both notable and verifiable, with more than 800,000 hits on Google. Important aspect of German culture." That's like saying that we need about a dozen foreign language dictdef stubs for every English word. This reasoning is problematic because it doesn't address the real issue, which is the current article. The anonymous IP's contribution is bogus. Even on the slim chance that it was actually describing a character in a real work of fiction, without referring to the specific work of fiction it is placed out of context and equally worthless and meaningless. Furthermore akuma, as described in dictionaries, do not refer to entities specific to Japanese mythology. —Tokek 7 July 2005 03:50 (UTC)

You probably think you know who Thomas Edison was. But there is one aspect of Edison that might surprise you: Thomas Alva Edison, Shinto god. Yes, the American inventor's likeness appears on ema at a prominent, important, and ancient shrine, and when visitors to the shrine write their wish on one of these ema, they bow in prayer to Edison. My point is that Japanese culture alters the concepts that Japan takes from the West, in ways that are worthy of attention. The anonymous user has done Wikipedia a service by separating a longstanding cultural phenomenon (Christianity reached Japan at least as early as 1549) from the popular anime/game/manga fluff. Give this article time to grow, and let's see how the Japanese notion of akuma differs from the Western devil. Fg2 July 7, 2005 06:41 (UTC)

You may have a point if we were voting on "Thomas Edison (mythology)". However you don't seem to deny the fact that what the anon IP contributed here is original research, which is arguably worse than game article fluff. The Japanese term "akuma" is already covered at the akuma article. Is there enough content to justify yet another akuma article? —Tokek 7 July 2005 14:33 (UTC)

• Delete. The article akuma covers the concept already without becoming original research. -Sean Curtin July 9, 2005 02:26 (UTC)
• Merge to akuma by making this the expansion of the mythology definition. )

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