Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ALF House

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. The keep arguments are quite poor, and are provided by WP:SPU's for the most part. Xoloz 17:19, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ALF House

A punk house in, well, I guess somewhere near Langley. No notability asserted, unless the claim that it is haunted can be sourced. Prod was removed without comment. ~ trialsanderrors 05:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. No notability shown or implied. Fails WP:V, lacks credible documentation. I my usual researches, but Google turned up nothing except "alf house" is a pretty common phrase, turning up in reference to houses in Cape Cod, Georgia, and a country club somewhere. Oddly, I found nothing for Langley, but that's only part of the problem here. Tychocat 08:28, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

• '"Keep"' There's no established notability criteria for punk houses. If deserve articles, then so do various Punk houses, which perform much the same function (albeit, for travelling punk kids). Canæn 02:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - No, there's no specific notability standards for punk houses, but there's no evidence WP:NOT, WP:V and the usual tests don't apply. Saying "if" these other places deserve articles, then punk houses do, rather misses the point and only begs the question. If you can show notability per WP:NOT, please do so. Tychocat 08:56, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, a house with no explained notability where some people of no explained notability live. No reliable sources, unverifiable, article a mix of fact (perhaps) and gunk. Weregerbil 13:34, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

• "'Keep"', If you google "alf house", you get a trail of punk show advertisements dating back to 2002. There's also an article in this weeks Discorder magazine (put out by CITR radio) a small blurb about this house in the newbies guide to the city. Follow the address below to see it. There are new references on the bottom of the wiki article that are first and second hand information. I'm pretty sure the person who started the wiki article has never lived at the house. The original article was a quotation from a Discorder review of the New Music West Festival (same magazine as above). The show involved a well known band and a dumpster fire. This is a DIY venue in Vancouver Canada, primarily aimed at political and DIY punks. And it's Alf house, not ALF House. What are the 'noteriety' qualifications?

http://discorder.ca/2006/09/vancouver-alf-house-on-east-georgia/

• Delete per nom and WP:V. No "credible, third-party sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." --Satori Son 15:09, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

• keep,The alf house is actually located in east vancouver, not langley, and it is an important venue in the local DIY and punk rock scenes. It has a widespread reputation throughout the city, as well as Canada and the United States in general as a venue that has hosted hundreds of shows and many people consider it to be of importance. I suppose that my being a random internet entity does not make a strong case for the reliability of my testimonial, but as I have spent a great deal of time at this house, both as a venue and as a living space I can confirm the accuracy and relevance of the information provided. If you don't take me seriously as a primary source, than the above posted discorder article should suffice as documentation, as I would imagine no one would challenge the accuracy of information provided by a UBC publication. 16:11, 8 september 2006 Dust and cinder (UTC)

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• Again, please see WP:NOT and delete-noms above for how you need to establish notability, not by waving alphabet-groups at us. Disagreement on basic facts, like where the place is, does not bode well though. Tychocat 01:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

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