Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/14 Year Old Girls (second nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 02:41, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 14 Year Old Girls

This page was previously nominated as a potential vanity deletion. I am nominating on the basis that it fails to meet WP:MUSIC. In the prior AfD, it was said in the AfD only that this band met criteria 6, which at the time was that the band was the most prominent representative of that genre. In the time since that vote, there has been no addition of a verifiable source that makes that claim. Erechtheus 22:49, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. A Google search for "14 Year Old Girls" nintendo yields over 14,000 results, and the previous vote was unanimous except for the nominator. -newkai | talk | contribs 23:20, 31 July 2006 (UTC) As a result of the below-stated evidence, I find myself corrected and hereby withdraw my "keep" and request to change it to a Delete.
  • Comments I have added a bullet to your entry for formatting. Also, a search for "HORSE the band" nintendo yields yields over 20,000 results. In addition, a member of HORSE coined the name for the genre and that band has a much more substantial article. It would appear to be clear that they, not 14 Year..., are the most prominent representative of the genre. Erechtheus 23:30, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. To Newkai: look at the google results, i went through randomly selected pages, 1-3, then 5-7, then 13, 15, 20, most of the search results have nothing to do with this band, but somehow have "14-year-old-girls" and "nintendo" in the article results. When searching 14 year old girls and nintendocore, there are 5 pages of results, most of which are myspace pages, redirect to this page, or some advertisement. --Shrek05 23:46, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Nintendocore is a notable style of music and 14 Year Old Girls are a prominent representative of that style (such as The Minibosses, Horse the band, etc.). artistdirect and allmusic both know about them. Verifiable. Factual. Healthy web-presence. PT ^(s-s-s-s) 23:47, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment According to the record label, 14 Year Old Girls have appeared on G4 Tech TV's X-Play, The Screen Savers, and Players... been written up in GamePRO, EGM, GameNOW... Maximum Rock'n'Roll called them "Quite endearing" and Punknews.org declared them "the inventors of Nintendo punk." That's TV coverage (which I have cited in the article) and multiple coverage by non-trivial media (harder for me to track down and cite, maybe someone with more experience in gaming magazines can lend a hand). That clinches it for me, and this link shows you all the videos of these appearences. PT ^(s-s-s-s) 18:06, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
• delete it seems there's very little web presence for the genre or the band. 90% of the links are wiki mirrors. Certainly just using common words in the name isn't notable. "viagra nintendo" gets 787,000 Google hits. -Sanbeg 19:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, article fails to reveal the group's notability. Google hits are not meaningful because of the commonplace nature of the band's name. Show us something that documents their achievements. User:Zoe|(talk) 20:22, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Fails to meet any of the criteria at WP:MUSIC. --G VOLTT 21:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Fails to meet WP:MUSIC criteria. *drew 01:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete --Peta 05:17, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Rebecca 05:18, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, per PT ^(s-s-s-s)s comments. dposse 16:19, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
• keep two albums on AMG makes them notable enough for me. — brighterorange (talk) 16:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and add expand tag. The article isn't great and could be a lot better. The group as a representative of their genre are probably the best there is (I realise this is difficult to prove). Two albums are listed on www.amazon.co.uk. I cannot see how wikipedia would be 'better' without it.Mallanox 23:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Mallanox. Both albums are on Amazon USA as well. Thatdog 07:16, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and add expand tag. I actually wanted to know more about them after hearing some of their music. Does that count as a reason to keep and expand? Reader-interest? Bladestorm 13:18, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Fails to meet WP:MUSIC Wildthing61476 16:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment - Why? We have a article on HORSE the band, so why can't we have a article on 14 Year Old Girls when they have two albums on Amazon.com? dposse 19:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

• Weak keep and expand, based on two albums on Amazon --Wafulz 14:42, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
• WKeep and expand, in light of the two albums -- TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 18:45, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Kind of borderline, but they seem notable enough to me. Shimeru 20:28, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
• Question two albums helps meet one criterion for WP:BAND - but it depends on the labels. Give me an afternoon, and I can produce two albums as well... So, under what label(s) were these albums produced? The article doesn't say. Rklawton 20:34, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Answer - The article KIND OF said, but I have re-edited it to make more clear. Retard Disco is the label, a major indie. And if you REALLY can produce two albums in an afternoon, I know some musicians who might be able to use your services. ;) PT ^(s-s-s-s) 20:43, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Albums I can produce said albums when needed. But I said nothing about quality - and that's the point. Rklawton 01:32, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment. Show us that Retard Disco is one of the more important indie labels. I visited their site prior to listing the band. They have eight acts signed. Let's compare them with Side One Dummy. That indie label has 19 acts, and I'm not even sure that they'd count as one of the more important ones out there. The criteria for this measure is spelled out in WP:MUSIC -- they'd need a history of more than a few years as a label and a lot of their artists would have to be notable. Erechtheus 23:55, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 01:26, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.