Talk:Arsenal F.C. records

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[edit] First British Club to beat Real Madrid in Bernabeu?

The Arsenal Chairman Peter Hill-Wood today said Arsenal is the first British team to beat Real Madrid in Bernabeu [1]. Can anyone verify this? --Pkchan 13:58, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Everyone seems to be saying it, so there must be some truth in it.
Slumgum 14:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
It appears that Hill-Wood's claim is valid. That Arsenal is the first English club to do so is not in dispute (see Arsenal's own account here: [2]). From this page [3] it appears that Real Madrid have lost to a Scottish team only twice: once in the 1982/83 CWC final, played in Göteborg; the other a 0:2 loss to Celtic in the Champions' Cup Quarterfinal 1979/80, which was played at Celtic's home [4]. I haven't bothered to check Real Madrid's head-to-head with Wales, Irish or Northern Irish teams for the obvious reason. --Pkchan 14:43, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page move?

I'm thinking of renaming this page to Arsenal F.C. records, as on reflection it's a more suitable name. Any objections? Qwghlm 08:40, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Do it. Statistics sounds like it refers only to the club currently, rather than all-time.
Slumgum 19:28, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Done! Qwghlm 22:50, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inconsistencies with official website

I found a couple of inconsistencies when I verify the page against the official website's record page:

  1. Fastest recorded goal scored by AFC player: official website lists this rather than the Alan Sunderland goal:
    20.07 secs Gilberto (PSV (a) 25 Sept 2002 won 4-0 UCL (1))
    This is the fastest ever recorded goal in Champions League history.
  2. Biggest AFC away defeat in FA Cup: official website doesn't list the West Ham defeat in 1946 but instead lists this:
    1-6 (Burnley (a) 1 Feb 1896 FA Cup 1)

Anyone has a better source than the official website's record page to clarify the above? --Pkchan 12:52, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

OK...
  1. I can't find anywhere online that says Sunderland's goal is the fastest ever for Arsenal, though I do definitely recall reading it in a trivia list in a book somewhere. What I am sure of is that Sunderland did score after just 13 seconds in the semi-final second replay against Liverpool; it's recounted both here and here. While it may not actually be the fastest ever goal in Arsenal's history, it is definitely faster than Gilberto's.
  2. The 6-0 defeat to West Ham is recorded as an official result in The Official Illustrated History of Arsenal (2005 edition, ISBN 0600613445), on p.126. It is also listed in Arsenal's cup record at the Football Club History Database and in the results for that season at RSSSF. It is possible the result is not included because the aggregate score was 6-1; uniquely, FA Cup matches were contested over two legs in 1945-46 (to compensate for the Football League not resuming play until the following season). Arsenal lost the first leg away 6-0, and won the second leg at home 1-0. Although wartime football cup results are not counted as official, the 1945-46 FA Cup definitely is - the FA list it on their list of winners. Qwghlm 19:31, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
It's great that you've verified these two facts. Let's keep both, then. --Pkchan 15:01, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Longest unbeaten home sequence in the Premiership

...is not a national record. Chelsea have been unbeaten at home in the Premiership since 21st February 2004, when they lost to Arsenal, which is 45 matches. This can easily be verified at Soccerbase SteveO 18:11, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Agreed - have removed it. Qwghlm 08:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
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