Talk:Arnold Schoenberg

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Contents 1 Redirect 2 Phobia 3 Extramusical interests 4 Austrian-American 5 Death of Mathilde Schoenberg 6 This article should not be in the category

[edit] Redirect

Schönberg redirects to Arnold Schoenberg. ...... Why? I can understand 'Arnold Schönberg' redirecting here perfectly, but not just the last name. He may be the most famous person with that name, but he's certainly far from the only one - see Claude-Michel Schönberg too. --Lobby

Sounds like you want to start a Schönberg disambig page, ala Kennedy or Miller or something like that. Go for it! --Ds13 18:43, 2005 Mar 17 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Disambiguation. Hyacinth 20:25, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. I just wanted to check here first to make sure I wasn't missing something, some reason for it being the way it currently is, before making the disambig page. (Actually, I wanted someone else to do the work for me; damn your mere helpfulness!.. So, yeah, I'll go do that now.) --Lobby/Silence 18:37, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I don't think it's correct to call "Schoenberg" the anglicized version of "Schönberg"; it is exactly how a German speaker would type or write the name without the letter "ö". I also doubt very many English speakers would be helped by the change. More than likely, the composer got a lot of SHOWN-bergs or even SHOW-en-bergs. Without any text to the contrary, my guess would be the change was a matter of typographical ease of use. Ben L. 15:42, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Phobia

The article claims that Schoenberg "feared turning 76, because its digits add up to thirteen." Did he also fear turning 49, 58, and 67? —Caesura 21:31, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Though you pose a good question, a phobia is an irrational fear and there is nothing strange if he did not fear those similar numbers. Hyacinth 21:49, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Actually, Schoenberg was not afraid of turning 76 until just prior to his birthday, when an astrologer acquaintance sent him a warning that the year was ominous. Prior to that, he had only been afraid of ages that were multiples of 13, 65 in particular.

Humph01 12:45, 1 April 2005 (UTC)

That's fascinating, genuinely...such logical music but illogical phobias! Fatboy06 21:58, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

He technically died in his 77th year, he had lived for 76 full years and died in the 10th month of his 77th.

Incorrect. Subtracting the years will give you the number 77, but if you notice, july comes before september, therefore he had not quite reached his 77th year.--Psydude 19:44, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I've spent some time searching and can't find any corroborating information for the claim of his specific time of death, saying "harmony" etc only that he died on that day. Could we get an external link? I am interested to confirm this because not only is it a very strange coincidence but it seems rather odd that his wife would be telling him to "wake up and quit this nonsense" just before midnight as not only would normal people be sleeping, but the day would have been over shortly anyway. Sounds very dubious to me. 203.97.162.200 06:16, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I have heard many tellings of the story in many places... if it's not true it's at least a very widespread rumour. (But it would be nice to know the truth.) I can't seem to find reference to this on schoenberg.at, which gives me at least a little bit of suspicion about it. Rainwarrior 04:23, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, i've only found the phobia story here. And its only in the article about Triskaidekaphobia, its not even in his main article. Can someone verify this outside, perhaps by a published biography? Until it can be verified one way or the other, i've added in the story about his death into the main article, because, true or not, it is pretty creepy. --Psydude 19:37, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

While I don't really care to make the change in this article myself (due mostly to my wiki-ignorance), this triskaidekaphobia thing is actually documented in a book by Malcolm MacDonald called "Schoenberg," London: J.M. Deat and Sons Ltd., 1986, pg.50, or there roundabouts. If that's enough evidence to keep that in the main article, go ahead and throw it back in. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.230.115.32 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Extramusical interests

Maybe his triskaidekaphobia should be placed under a different title, as I'm not sure how a phobia can be an extramusical interest. I presume interest refers to Schoenberg himself and not the reader. thedarkestclear 13:54, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Hm, I've removed the triskaedekaphobio bit for lack of references. When references are found, it can be re-added. Mak (talk) 19:54, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Austrian-American

Does living in the U.S. after he was 59 make him an Austrian-American? Atavi 05:22, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

It does if he took American citizenship. CRCulver 05:33, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Which he did. OK. Atavi 06:22, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Death of Mathilde Schoenberg

I do not know the details of her death offhand, but it was Gerstl who committed suicide after she returned to Schoenberg. The Schoenberg Centre Biography says that she died much later in 1923, but doesn't give the details. (I seem to recall cancer as the reason in the back of my mind, but I can't find a reference offhand to back it up.) - Rainwarrior 18:11, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This article should not be in the category

Category:Compositions by composer - perhaps someone put in the line [[Category:Compositions by composer]] (without initial colon after the bracketpair) instead somewhere? Since there is a category Category:Compositions by Arnold Schoenberg which does belong. Schissel | Sound the Note! 15:23, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

(fixed already, or something. Though the category Category:Compositions by Arnold Schoenberg lists Arnold Schönberg as the main article, which I hope isn't intentional, planning to change that in a bit just to be slightly picky. Thanks. Schissel | Sound the Note! 15:29, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

This article contains a list of compositions by Arnold Schönberg. Why wouldn't it belong in this category? (It is indeed the main article for his compositions). - Rainwarrior 15:55, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

The category I pointed to is a list of categories and pages. The pages are all of the form "List of works by ----" - specifically, not mixed with biography etc., and also importantly, so named. (It was, when I wrote that, (edit - almost!!) the only page in that category in fact that wasn't of the form "List of compositions by x", and tended to stand out. It's not there anymore. Hrm. RobertG's recent edit might account for that. Ok, didn't imagine that- non-trivial I sometimes think...) Schissel | Sound the Note! 23:42, 26 October 2006 (UTC)