Talk:Armigerous clan

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Wanted to raise the question of whether we should list "incumbent", as armigerous clans have no chief and can therefore not have an incumbent. Thoughts? (Nfras 00:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC))

Is there such a title as Much Honourable in reference to Campbell of Craignish? AFAIK there is Honourable, Right Honourable and Most Honourable. (Nfras 05:18, 23 March 2006 (UTC))

I agree the 'Incumbent' section should be removed. But yes, the title 'Much Honoured' not 'Much Honourable' IS the formal Scottish honorific for a feudal Baron.Abc1818 20:50, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I have noticed that many of the names on the Armigerous clans list are actually septs of other clans. some of these have never been classed as a clan or had a chief. For exaple MacCulloch. I think these types should be removed from the list as they are septs. MacCulloch is listed in the septs for both Clan Ross and Clan Munro. On the other hand a true Armigeous clan is a clan which once owned territory and did once have a chief. For example the Clan Douglas.

mjgm84 16:24, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

We've had this discussion before – they are all, in fact, families rather than clans. The reason that Armigerous clan was introduced as a separate article was that these names are not recognised by the Lord Lyon King of Arms as those of clans, and it was felt that it would be more accurate to differentiate the family names on the original list from those of true Scottish clans. Septs as such do not exist any more. – Agendum 17:12, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I see. Well thats a shame because it means that clans like Clan Douglas with their great clan history get put on the same list as a family name which has never been classed as a clan.mjgm84 13:02, 7 October 2006 (UTC)