Talk:Armageddon

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The Anti-Christ is speaking in Aramaic in the book Celestine Prophecy is coming to TV in Mar. 2006.The beast will be released on TV by James&Sally Redfield by using synchronicity which is the 2nd law of thermodynamics of disorder,chaos,heat death

Carl Jung said snychronicity is from the deamon Mercurius who in the west is the DEVIL

I kept the information on Armageddon, the theological concept, and Megiddo, the ancient city and battle (and redirected Megiddo to here) because I felt they were intimately related, that to inform about Megiddo, you needed to describe Armageddon, and vice versa, so why not keep them together, instead of separate entries? Ortolan88Jun 02

Theoretically a good idea, however Megiddo (and Megiddo Junction, the bus terminus) are viable geographical locations which have no mythological associations e.g. if you wished to discuss the recent suicide bombing at Megiddo it is markedly unhelpful to do so in the context of Armageddon. Perhaps these two could be simply disentangled with a marker between them, i.e. in Armageddon mention its relationship to Megiddo and link it and, of course, vice versa. sjc

So that's why not. I agree.

I'll do it like this Armageddon will ref Battle of Megiddo and vice versa. Reserve Megiddo (currently redirected) for contemporary Meggido, about which I know nothing. (I don't think demons from hell will be showing up any time soon, but it is kind of neat, don't you think, first battle/last battle?) I started on this because the entry on Armageddon as I found it didn't even mention the Battle of Megiddo!Ortolan88

1 Sin vs. Filth
2 Church of Ouzo
3 Armageddon Clock
4 JW's
5 Judgement day?
6 "the" antichrist is not a person
7 Difference?
8 List of doomsday scenarios
9 Armageddon does not seem to be part of the Catholic Church catechism.

[edit] Sin vs. Filth

This is an article (from a mostly Christian perspective) about a future event. The Christian perspective is not that the Earth is filth or covered with filth. It is a world fallen from the perfection of it's creation and existing in rebellion to God, i.e. sin. The world as created was good (c.f. Genisis ch. 1 & 2 where God repeats "...and it was good." after each phase of creation. Treat as allegory if needed.) The Earth and the things in it are good, not filth. Yet it will all be destroyed because of sin. This is a Biblical perspective on a future Biblical event (or allegory). This is not Zoroastrian stuff and I am not the one who made the original edit that you corrected. And with the exception of this one word I agree with your edit. However if you still have problems with this, please respond here and lets reach a consensus.
Thanks! - DavidR 13:40, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

You should have just changed that one word from my edit. I thought you were trying to reinsert the Zoroastrian baloney (which your edit had the effect of doing), since that was all I remember changing. That stuff was all I had a problem with; there's no problem with your latest edit. --168.215.149.103 06:45, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Church of Ouzo

There are two words that are original to the book of Revelation: "Nicolaitanes" and "Armageddon". Christ said he hates the deeds and doctrine of the Nicolaitanes. "Nicolaitanes" is an anagram for "O satanic line," a reference to the beast line of the Ouzo Cross (see"The Ouzo Prophecy"). Armageddon is the location of the final battle between good and evil. "Armageddon" is an anagram for "Dame Dragon," a generalized personification of evil, similar to other generalized personifications such as Mother Nature and Lady Luck. Anagrams are related to gematria in that both are number/letter codes, anagrams being based on ordinal numbers and gematria on cardinal numbers.

Robert Merlin Evenson/Church of Ouzo

bobevenson@yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________

Even if this "numerology" and "gematria" stuff were true, they wouldn't be amagrams IN ENGLISH. Let's get serious and do what's best for the article and not push crank theories. _____________________________________________________________________

The book of Revelation was written for all peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues, and since English is becoming a universal language, I believe the book of Revelation, as translated and edited as of 1946 in the KJV, was indeed written for an English-speaking audience. This is not a crank theory, O my brothers in tribulation.

Robert Merlin Evenson/Church of Ouzo

bobevenson@yahoo.com

[edit] Armageddon Clock

Is such a section suitable for this article or a new article with this subject should be created?

Any way we can link this to the George W. Bush article? ;)

No.

That clock is a load of bull. As it says in the Bible, no one can predict the exact time. So that whole clock is a. educated guesses based on current conflict and possible outcomes, or b. made by people who are joking around. --66.218.22.85 04:16, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] JW's

I intend to cleanup this section soon, no references, many incorrect assumptions. george m

[edit] Judgement day?

This is a realted subject but may need its' own article. Aynone care to comment? George 23:23, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "the" antichrist is not a person

How many times have the conspiracy theorists tried to make the ridiculous claim that a certain politician is the antichrist? This was common when Reagan was president based on the childish belief that each of his names -- Ronald Wilson Reagan -- contained 6 letters, hence the 666 (mistakenly referred to as the sign of the devil, which it is not -- it's the sign of man, taken in relation to the perfect 777, which is God).

The antichrist -- or "the Beast" which is the more appropriate term, is or will be, in my opinion, a nation. If we consider that possibility that the beast is on the planet today, it would likely be the nation of Islam, based on their unquenchable thirst for innocent blood.

Trying to connect George W. Bush with "the antichrist" is not even good enough to be considered sophistry.

Well, he technically is. the antichrist is supposed to be a leader who gains trust by everyone. That rules out George Bush.

What people believe can be amusing. Jesus plainly stated that there were many antichrists and that there would be many antichrists. Anyone who tries to take the place of Jesus as the means of salvation by God is an antichrist. Reading the Bible would make that plain. George 18:24, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Can we please try to keep this scholarly?

If we stick to the text, by which I mean Revelations, the designation har megiddo, meaning mountain of Megiddo, might simply be poetic usage, much as the word mount is used in English Bible translations to mean any place of raised earth.

Nuttyskin 01:02, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I don;t know what you mean by your comments, could you elaborate? BTW I thought I was being scholarly by pointing out what the text of the Bible says about the antichrist. I think this is the source of the term. George 04:01, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

You are being scholary? I understand from your "...it would likely be the nation of Islam..." that you consider yourself a representative of Christianity. very well. all this discussion is under the the heading of the antichrist. unquenchable thirst for innocent blood? just like cannot and do not present george bush as a model Christian, we do not forward some radical groups as ideal Muslim. secondly, plz tell me, what do you know about the Islamic concept of armageddon? and Antichrist? ANTIchrist? you seem quite a scholar. pick a copy of Koran and find me one verse about Jesus in Koran that you disagree to. and as to the definition you give of term anti-christ, tell me WHY do you expect Jesus to be the last Prophet? arnt u following the Jews on the same path considering what they think of Jesus?

Who are you talking to? BTW your ID shows up in the changes. George 12:24, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Difference?

What the difference between this and apocalypse?

Apocalypse is the English rendering of the Catholic name for the Bible book commonly referred to as Revelation. It means 'uncovering'. So to answer your question, no. The word apocalypse has had its' meaning corrupted over the years so the misunderstanding is understandable. :D George 18:21, 17 July 2006 (UTC)