Talk:Argenteum Astrum
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Cite please? Or is this simply based on the Illuminatus! books? -- The Anome 20:18, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- It is mentioned in Aleister Crowley's Book Of Lies if I remember correctly. -- DenisMoskowitz
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- According to Do What Thou Wilt: A Life of Aleister Crowley by Lawrence Sutin, the A.'.A.'. was formed in 1906 by Crowley and Jones.
--Iscariot 09:34, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
(Smerdis of Tlön 11:40, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC))
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[edit] Some References
The A.'.A.'. is mentioned on the Ordo Templi Orientis's site as an associate of that organization. It also appears to have its own website at www.outcol.org. Although that site's main page initially appears to be for "Outer College Curriculum Resources", the A.'.A.'. is frequently mentioned in the sub-pages and at the bottom of the main page itself.
[edit] Disputed
Anonymoyus user User:67.48.77.208 placed the disputed template on this article and made the following comment which I am moving here to talk:
According to "The Magick of Thelema: A Handbook of the Rituals of Aleister Crowley," by Lon Milo Duquette (Weiser 1993), A.'.A.'. does NOT stand for Argenteum Astrum. On p. 216, the author states that this is commonly believed, but that he has "been informed in no uncertain terms that this is not the case."
I have looked at the reference you refer to, which appears as a footnote. It would seem to me that Lon Milo Duquette is expressing personal opinion based on the idea that the A.'. A.'. has other secret meanings, which with Crowley is undoubtedly the case. This does however not change the fact that Crowley himself used the Silver Star reference and connected this name to the passage every man and every woman is a star in Liber AL. --Solar 13:53, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
The phrase "Argentium Astrum", used to refer to the third Order the "Silver Star", dates to the original Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. Crowley's innovation was to translate this phrase into Greek: "Astron Argon". The reason for this was that the phrase has the same numeric value (451) as the phrase "Konx Om Pax", or "Light in Extension". The source of this interpretation is "The Mystical and Magical System of the A.'. A.'." by James Eshelman, an Adept of the Soror Estai lineage of the A.'. A.'. See the third edition, pp. 22-24
[edit] Magickal puncktuation?
What's the significance of the three dots after each letter in these abbreviations? Is there a name for that kind of punctuation? Does it mean anything in particular? Is it used exculsively by Crowley and his followers, or is it a more general occult thing? Any information would be welcome.
- Previous was by User:Pterodactyler
- Generally ∴ is the mathematical symbol for "therefore". I imagine it had further occult symbolism to Crowley and gang, but what that was may be unknowable at this point. I don't know of any previous groups using that punctuation, though I've seen later groups do it in imitation of the A∴A∴. --DenisMoskowitz 15:55, 2005 July 27 (UTC)
- I've seen the latin magical mottos of colleges in original Crowley works abbreviated in such a way; such as Frater "V∴N∴", but also done like "Fra∴ Volo Noscere". Nagelfar 07:19, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
- Masons use it as well. It denotes that something was left off, possibly due to secrecy, IIRC.
[edit] wtf is  ?
there's a bunch of references to  - but that doesn't make any sense, since that corresponds to 'delete' in iso 8859-1 and unicode. what's the deal?
