Talk:Areas of Edinburgh

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Hillside is missing! And its clearly defineable...bounded by London Road, Easter Road, Brunswick Road and Leith Walk.How come nobody else noticed it was missing? S2

Excellent idea and I like the free-floating, subjective approach. I would like to propose the following areas for further documentation and may even do them myself if I get round to it:

The Southside, Sciennes/Newington/Mayfield/Salisbury/Minto/Dalkeith Road/Blackford/The Grange (how many distinct areas are there between the Meadows in the S., Morningside/Marchmont in the E., Niddrie in the NW, /Peffermill,Liberton and Blackford Hill in the North, and what? in the West?? Duddingston the Queens Park and finally Musselburgh? What area do people who live in the centre of Dalkeith Rd. say they come from? Does Mayfield (EH9) exist as an area? Or is it part of Newington? Where does Newington stop and (in the North) Salisbury (in the west) Blackford (and in the northwest) Grange begin?

I propose that Newington be defined as the area from the top of Mayfield Road (in the S - junction with Liberton Brae), including Kings Buildings and the SGI but not the valley to the Hermitage (which is neutral ground or belongs to the hills) as far as the Reid Memorial church, including all the side streets between Lauder Road and Mayfield Road/Ratclifee Terrace/Causewayside/Lord Russell Gdns (if that's what it's called at the Dick Vet) but excluding any part of Lauder Road itself (which is Blackford in the North and Marchmont in the South).

More problematic is the extension of Newington to the North. I would argue that both the Grange and Sciennes are part of Newington, which thus encompasses all the territory east of Lauder Road and, after the junmction with Grange Road, east of Marchmont Crescent (escluding again houses IN Marchmont Cres.) and would extend this all the ways to the Meadows.

In the East the situation is even more problematic: Briefly, I would say that Salisbury is Newington, but Dalkeith ROad is not - it is a district of itself, I suppose. Streets northeast of the Meadows (Nicholson Street, Rankiellor, St. Leonards - all the way to the Park) belong to the Southside, which phases into the Oldtown/Cowgate/Canongate/Hollyrood somewhere at the start of the Pleasance.

Cameron Toll is Newington's SE-most point. THe Southside does not belong to Newington.

My conclusion is that Newington is a collective name for the "square" defined by Cameron Toll, The Commonwealth Pool, Grange Cemetery and Reid Memorial Church

I am now happy in my mind. I am interested in what anyone else would have to say on the matter...

Contents 1 Edinburgers ?? 2 Explaining my large changes to the page 3 Local Council Wards 4 Gyles 5 Template

[edit] Edinburgers ??

has anyone ever used this word? The nearest I can recall is Ahm frae Ednnburrah (as against the Glaswegian Embra). Also, Cramond has long been used as a Sunday walk for Leithers - why exclude them? I write as a Leither in exile in the Far West (Gourock). Have edited the line to something more neutral. tarrathenoo, --dave souza 23:34, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Can I point out the spelling Edinburgher? Also for evidence of usage check the Scotsman newspaper. Try this search. In general when I hear the word used it's with tongue slightly in cheek, as no-one is quite certain if the word is a 'madey-upper'. --Air 14:13, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I use the word Edinburger and as far as I am aware it is by far the most commonly used word to identify those from the city. Example of the phrase being used by locals to identify themselves can be seen in the livejournal Edinburgh community, edinburgers (www.livejournal.com/~edinburgers). Whilst I understand the Leith pride, it should be noted that those from Leith are at once Leithers and Edinburgers, the two terms being non mutually exclusive. Magicalsausage 19:48, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Educational, this wikipedia! Presumably pronounced as in hamburger, not as burgh/borough. Since I'm evidently well out of date a check over Cramond would be appreciated - is there still a a rowing-boat ferry over to Dalmeny Woods? - dave souza 20:53, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I am afraid the Dalmeny ferry is no more - it stopped running a few years ago. It is rather sad if you ask me. Magicalsausage 20:36, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Sad indeed, that was a splendid walk - still presumably available from the other end. Cramond modified to suit. Still, nice about the oldest settlement thing. Ta for the info, - dave souza 06:00, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Explaining my large changes to the page

I felt that the page was a fairly random mixture of a list page and having it's own content. As it happened, Portobello, Scotland and Cramond already had their own pages, which provided more and better content, so I deleted their sections. I moved Bruntsfield, Cowgate and Grassmarket to their own pages. Lastly, I changed the list to one item per line so that it's easier to read. Maccoinnich 18:29, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

I've put together a template (at Template:Areas of Edinburgh; see below) from this list which may be of some use; it's a bit large, unfortunately, but it'll serve to link the individual pages together. I assume the aim is to have a seperate page on each area?

It might be worth trying to divide these into rough areas - central, north, south, east, west, or something similar; it might well make it more informative. Of course, it might also prove a matter of dispute ;-) Shimgray 23:19, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Areas of Edinburgh (category)

Abbeyhill | Alnwickhill | Ardmillan | Baberton | Balerno | Balgreen | Bankhead | Barnton | Beechmount | Bingham | Blackford | Blackhall | Bonaly | Bonnington | Burghmuirhead | Braepark | Braid Hills | Broomhouse | Broughton | Brunstane | Bruntsfield | Bughtlin | Burdiehouse | The Calders | Calton Hill | Cameron Toll | Cammo | Canongate | Canonmills | Chesser | Church Hill | Clermiston | Clerwood | Colinton | Comely Bank | Comiston | Corstorphine | Cowgate | Craigcrook | Craigentinny | Craigleith | Craiglockhart | Craigmillar | Cramond | Crewe Toll | Currie | Curriehill | Dalmeny | Dalmahoy | Dalry | Davidson's Mains | Dean Village | Drumbrae | Drylaw | Duddingston | East Craigs | East Pilton | Easter Road | Eastfield | Edinburgh Park | Fairmilehead | Ferniehill | Ferry Road | Firrhill | Forrester | Fountainbridge | Gilmerton | Gogar | Gogarloch | Goldenacre | Gorgie | Grange | Grassmarket | Granton | Greenbank | Greendykes | Greenhill | Haymarket | Hermiston | Holy Corner | Holyrood | Holyrood Park | Hunter's Tryst | Ingliston | Inverleith | Jock's Lodge | Joppa | Juniper Green | Kaimes | Kingsknowe | Kirkliston | Lauriston | Leith | Liberton | Little France | Lochend | Lochrin | Longstone | Marchmont | Maybury | Mayfield | Meadowbank | The Meadows | Merchiston | Moredun | Morningside | Mortonhall | Mountcastle | Muirhouse | Murrayfield | New Town | Newbridge | Newcraighall | Newhaven | Newington | Niddrie | Northfield | Old Town | Oxgangs | Parkgrove | Parkhead | Piershill | Pilrig | Pilton | Polwarth | Portobello | Powderhall | Prestonfield | Ratho | Ratho Station | Ravelston | Redford | Restalrig | Riccarton | Roseburn | Saughton | Sciennes | Seafield | Sighthill | Silverknowes | Slateford | South Gyle | South Queensferry | Stenhouse | Stockbridge | Swanston | Tollcross | Torphin | Trinity | Turnhouse | Tynecastle | Warriston | West Coates | West Craigs | West Pilton | Wester Hailes | Wester Broom | Westfield

Very good idea actually. I can see a lot of useful pages springing out of this eventually. I just replaced the list on this page with the template, as it doesn't seem sensible to have to duplicate effort whenever (inevitable) changes are made to the list. Maccoinnich 12:01, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Local Council Wards

Edinburgh has 58 local council wards. These wards are listed at http://download.edinburgh.gov.uk/elections/cec_elections_1999.pdf and their boundaries can be viewed at http://www.election-maps.co.uk/. As the ward boundaries are well defined it might be easier to write articles about each council ward rather than individual areas. This is what I did for Sheffield when the articles on districts in Sheffield were in a similar state (mostly very short stubs and redlinks) to what the areas of Edinburgh articles are know. I'm not suggesting that the model I used for Sheffield be exactly duplicated here, but I feel that it worked fairly well for Sheffield and something similar might work for Edinburgh. JeremyA (talk) 18:37, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm not so sure that's such a good idea. For one reason, they're all disappearing in 2007, as local councils in Scotland will be elected by single transferable vote from then one, which requires larger, multi-member wards. Secondly, the wards are somewhat arbitrary anyway: the Old Town, one of the easiest to define areas of Edinburgh, is split part of two wards - Holyrood and Tollcross, but no one would actually ever argue that any of the Old Town is in Tollcross; another ward is called Southside - fairly meaningless name, which to anyone unfamiliar with council areas could mean anywhere south of Princes Street.Maccoinnich

[edit] Gyles

This section is on the talk pages of Areas of Edinburgh as well as of The Gyle to attempt to catch some attention!

The various articles on the Gyle area seem slightly messy to me, and could do with some clarification to establish what are the current official names, and indeed the common use names.

We have:

• South Gyle – pretty clear

Updated

• North Gyle – in the template (and mentioned elsewhere) but lacking an article

No longer needed, it seems

• The Gyle – a very trivial stub which I've recently tried to make slightly useful

Made a redirect to South Gyle

• Gyle – a parliamentary ward, mentioned in 2 articles on constituencies (Edinburgh West (UK Parliament constituency) & Edinburgh West (Scottish Parliament constituency) and currently redirecting to The Gyle

Revised to avoid double redirect

• South Gyle railway station – I just mention it here for completeness

It ain't broke, don't fix it

• The Gyle Shopping Centre – a needed link from many pages (although probably not actually worth an article)

Created as a redirect to South Gyle

• Gogarloch – somewhat confused with The Gyle in some of the copy text (particularly in South Gyle)

Left alone

• Gyle Park was linked from Edinburgh Park – I've piped that to "The Gyle" for now

Left alone, pipe changed to South Gyle

Does anybody who knows the definitive, er, definitions, and boundaries of these places feel up to sorting out the articles please? – Kieran T ^{(talk | contribs)} 15:05, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

This is only how I use these terms... "The Gyle" is the shopping centre and houses to the north of the A8, "South Gyle" the housing estate & rail station to the south of the A8, "North Gyle" never heard of it (and it's not on OS maps)... "Gyle Park" - playing fields (and a pub)... Any help, probably not! /wangi

Heh, thanks. How we each use these terms is probably our best guide, because the naming of areas tends to come out of common usage, and then be reflected on maps. How we go from "self-evident stuff we all know" to "verifiable enough for Wikipedia" in the period of time before a map is updated is anybody's guess! ;)

North Gyle is in several street names though, which do appear on maps. Perhaps we should assume it's a phantom area, and in fact just part of "The Gyle". – Kieran T ^{(talk | contribs)} 16:41, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, there's north Gyle everything for street names - would have been a farm name originally. I'll look into some old maps and RCAHMS databases later on tonight or over the w'end. Personally I think the articles should be merged into a single article. /wangi 16:52, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and put all the relevant info from "The Gyle" into South Gyle so in fact it really looks like time to make The Gyle a redirect. I've left Gogarloch as it was since that article seems to say it's a distinct housing estate within South Gyle. Oh, and since North Gyle is a red-link, I've just removed the linkiness from the South Gyle article. That just leaves the present template – should North Gyle be removed from this as well? I'd say yes unless we can work out why it was added in the first place. – Kieran T ^{(talk | contribs)} 17:44, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Personally I would merge all the content into The Gyle, with South Gyle, North Gyle, Gogarloch and Gyle all redirecting to it and being bolded terms within the article. I did managed to dig up some info from RCAHMS - North Gyle was built as a seperate housing estate from South Gyle - so in a merged article I can expand on that with building phases etc. We could also defined the boundaries of the council ward... ? /wangi 10:13, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template

I substituted the template because, at the moment, this article is the only place it appears. This may be suitable for such a large template; and if it is only to appear here, it will probably be easier to maintain subst'ed. If there is consensus to change the situation, that's fine too. Septentrionalis 21:51, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I remember reading through a deletion discussion of the template last year sometime, but it was hard to track down again due to it being misfiled: Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/Deleted/August 2005#Template:Areas of Edinburgh. If properly done, with the template using {{Dynamic navigation box}} and surrounded by <div class="Boxmerge"> ... </div> so it's automatically hidden if there's more than one nav template then I would be for putting this template back onto the articles... /wangi 10:19, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Please make sure that {{Dynamic navigation box}} works first; there is some agitated discussion on its talk page. Septentrionalis 15:27, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

You can see it in action at a number of Australian articles, for example have a look at the bottom of University of Western Australia. However I'm not sure about the template - listifying it and then working through it to create articles is maybe a better idea. Thanks/wangi 15:30, 24 July 2006 (UTC)