Talk:Ardahan

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Stop the Armenian vandalism. Ardahan is a Turkish province. Someone keeps adding the Armenian spelling whenever I edit the article. Armenia has been an Ottoman province for many centuries and I could add the Turkish/Ottoman spellings for every Armenian province/city related article but that is considered vandalism and I won't do that. --Denix

See my comment to you here, Denix. —Khoikhoi 09:04, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 I suggest you stop. 2 Vandalism 3 I don't believe in Wikipedia history / political articles. 4 Nuray Hafiftaş

[edit] I suggest you stop.

So is it ok with you if I start a rampage on all the Armenian articles and add a Turkish/Ottoman spelling for each of them? I will if you keep editing this article and you won't be able to remove them if you believe in what you said earlier. --Denix

I suggest you stop. Khoikhoi is right. Please discuss this further with him before continuing. --Moby 09:34, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

And who are you? Another American-Armenian? I don't have to discuss this with him, I know what I'm doing, thanks. --Denix

See Wikipedia:Three-revert rule. Who I am is not relevant to the issue of your edits (and the answer is no). You do have to discuss edits on wikis. --Moby 10:12, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

From the article Wikipedia:Three-revert rule:

For the purposes of counting reverts, these are excluded:

       * self-reverts
       * correction of simple vandalism
       * removing posts made by a banned or blocked user

As you can see, "correction of simple vandalism" is excluded, and this is exactly what I am doing. --Denix

Wrong. Simple vandalism is adding "fuck you" into an article, not adding the Armenian name for something. —Khoikhoi 00:27, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

P.S. - I'm not Armenian. —Khoikhoi 01:56, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Once again, I removed an irrelevant link from this article and multiple users keep adding it back. There is NO Armenian presence in Ardahan. The link redirects to "armeniapedia", a 100% biased Armenian wikipedia clone filled with Armenians. The article is written in Armenian, therefore not understandable by foreigners. It could contain false information, insults etc. I suggest you remove this link: http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?title=Ardahan

No one ever said there are Armenians living in Ardahan today, but it historically had a large Armenian population. The link is about the history of the city, not it's current status. I believe the page is taken from Soviet documents, actually. I fail to see any reason to remove the link other than personal prejudice. —Khoikhoi 04:46, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Khoikhoi is right, it is from Soviet documents, and as you can read from the parts already translated to English (which the entire page will be in eventually), there is nothing sinister or false in the article, even though it is on a website "filled with Armenians" (gasp!). In fact, if you find anything 100% biased on the site like you claim, go ahead and click on... "edit this page". It is a wiki, as you say, and that is what wikis are all about. I should warn you that I do (as the administrator of that site) expect quality and (yes) unbiased edits however. --RaffiKojian 18:12, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I don't believe in Wikipedia history / political articles.

Yes, I do use Wikipedia a lot, but I wouldn't recommend it as a reliable source for history or political articles. There will always be biased retards editing / vandalizing articles until their own view is reflected in it and they are satisfied because they have admins as friends and they can easily get other users banned. That sucks so I'm out of here. Sayonara. --Denix

It couldn't possibly be right if the Turkish Government says otherwise, could it? After all, there are no such things as Kurds, just "mountain Turks". --RaffiKojian 16:52, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

The above remark, especially the last part of it, should be taken as a good-intentioned sarcasm or joke, right? Mu5ti 16:28, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, if I'm not mistaken, it was the strict official policy of Turkey until the 1980s. --RaffiKojian 03:03, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Let's, for the sake of argument, say that "unfortunately, you are not mistaken". Given that, you and I and the whole world know that policies change. Or do we really? Let me ask it in another way, what year are we in? (notice the bolded text, and notice your previous remarks in the present tense. Please do not sidestep.)

Let's try another thing...again, let's say "unfortunately, you are not mistaken". The Kurdish guerrillas did not start their "activities" until mid 80's. Now, what "strict policy" are we talking about?

You can choose to extend this debate, as an Armenian. But let me tell you something...as a Turk with Kurdish blood in him, as someone who lost his uncle to Armenian terrorists and brethren-in-arms to Kurdish guerrillas, as someone who has been shot on by the same guerrillas...please spare me the armchair "holier-than-thou", smart attitude. If you want to contribute to knowledge and to Wikipedia, be my friend and my mentor, go right ahead, I'll follow. But if you want to spend endless hours in front of your computer extending decades-old single-sided hatred towards Turks, I am not your man. Mu5ti 04:02, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not really sure I fully understand your point in the beginning. Someone said they did not believe the stuff written here about history, politics. I am simply pointing out that (assuming this person grew up in Turkey - which seems quite likely) this person was raised in a country where free speech on these issues was not allowed, and they were not exposed to the truth as the rest of the world knows it. A very VERY important realization that tens of millions of Turks need to understand. If you are hinting this was all in the past - it is only because of EU entry that certain things have begun to change... but if you want present tense, Turkey's most famous writer (internationally) was just on trial and let off on a bit of a technicality for saying there was an Armenian Genocide and that Kurds were mistreated. Armenians still haven't gotten any of the property stolen from them back during, or after the Armenian Genocide (when all Armenian community property purchased since some date in the 1930s began being confiscated under a treaty provision meant to protect them, not screw them), and I, personally, am forbidden to climb Mt. Ararat simply because my last name ends in -ian. I was informed this, and others have been. My intent is not to debate, simply to point out simple truths. Truths that are blatantly obvious to everyone in the planet except Turks. I can be your best friend, but I cannot shut up about these truths. And fyi, if you consider yourself a Turk, you are a Turk, but don't think your "other bloods" stop with the recent Kurdish blood. --RaffiKojian 04:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nuray Hafiftaş

The Nuray Hafiftaş article says she was born in Kars (close, but not Ardahan). Please remove the contradiction. `'mikka (t) 20:07, 30 August 2006 (UTC)