Talk:Archangel (comics)

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Move to Angel (comics)? --DrBat 18:41, May 10, 2005 (UTC)

• Oppose - you really should check these things first (Re: Discussion). - SoM 12:40, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose. From the comments below it doesn't look like there's any need to move this. --NormanEinstein 13:06, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. violet/riga (t) 11:37, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Hellfire Club 2 Discussion 3 Depowerment 4 Renaming Round 2? 5 Could Warren be a Cheyararfim? 6 Category: LGBT comic book characters? 7 Merge 7.1 Survey 7.2 Discussion 8 Including X-Men: Children of the Atom miniseries 9 LGBT

[edit] Hellfire Club

The page says he is a part of it but doesnt describe why other than that its a family thing. Can we get more on it?please ---Charlie

Well, that's pretty much the extent of it, during the phoenix saga he mentions he has a membership in the hellfire club, which is heriditary, and uses it to get the x-men inside. Membership of the Inner Circle is not what warren is refering too. There's also an issue from the 90's where he's invited to apply for the inner circle by shinobi shaw, but declines. warren was never an active member Impulse 01:34, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Comment/Question - What is his ACTUAL codename right now? As I recall, his official codename's remained Archangel constantly since his time in X-Factor, but they've vacillated back & forth in the text itself since he got his original wings back in the mid-1990s (infamously, the Archangel/Psylocke: Crimson Dawn mini had "Archangel" in the title, and constantly used "Angel" in the text). Which codename is being used in Excalibur right now? - SoM 19:14, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Hm, you're right. The solictations state he's Archangel. Still, you'd wonder why he'd keep the name with all of Apocalypse's programming gone (the blue skin, metal wings, ect).--DrBat 11:16, May 11, 2005 (UTC)

Maybe he just doesn't want a demotion :) - SoM 12:40, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Depowerment

Is he indeed depowered? The current text does not make that clear at all, despite the status saying so. Luis Dantas 23:56, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes and no. Yes, he seems to be, but it hasn't been dealt with in a story yet. - SoM 00:26, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Renaming Round 2?

This article needs to accurately reflect the moniker he currently goes by. It should have a subsection devoted to his time as the Archangel because this is ridiculous in its current form. Other articles that reference this state that he currently goes by "Angel" once more and this seems to be the consensus across the internet in terms of searches... so do the math. 63.18.194.231 20:12, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Could Warren be a Cheyararfim?

In the Marvel Universe, Cheyararfim are angelic mutants dating back to biblical times, who fought a demonic race of mutants called Neyaphem. One of the weaknesses of the Neyaphem, was their succeptability to the blood of the Cheyararfim, which caused their bodies to break down. Now, when Nightcrawler got hurt, and Warren tried to use his blood to heal him, Nightcrawler's body began to break down. Since Nightcrawler is part Neyaphem (from his father, Azazel's side), it would only make sense that Warren is a Cheyararfim, right? --Hecko 22:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Logically speaking, yes. But the concept of Cheyarafim only appeared in one of Chuck Austen's most vilified stories, which most people prefer to forget ever happened. As such, it's unlikely to ever come up again in comics, and therefore will probably remain far too obscure for general consumption.

[edit] Category: LGBT comic book characters?

Should this really be one of his categories? It only applies to one of his alternate versions, and a pretty obscure one at that. Much as I love Neil Gaiman, I don't think the category belongs on this article.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chancemichaels (talk • contribs).

Agreed, it doesn't apply to the the main character. Removing. EVula 15:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

And I quote the criteria for the LGBT comic book character category: "This is a category for comic book characters who either have been or are currently being portrayed as being Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, or Transgendered (LGBT)". Warren, or rather Werner, absolutely fits. If it's not minor enough to warrant inclusion in an article about Archangel, then it's not too minor to include in the category. The category isn't some sort of sweeping judgment. Characters don't have to be queer enough to be included in it. It's not as if the portrayal is in dispute. He is portrayed as gay in 1602, it is part of the article on Archangel, for the purposes of collating information, why should that iteration be excluded? I'm putting him back in. Perceive 16:38, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

If you're going to put it back in, you might want to re-write that part of the entry - it was only after carefully reading the entire page that I found the one minor reference to LGBT. Without rewriting that section, the category tag is useless to a researcher. --Chancemichaels 14:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)Chancemichaels

Heh, I tried rewriting it but it got reverted. If the categories gonna be there, someone has to put it in the article. ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 14:04, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Per the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#Proliferation of Ultimate character articlesWP:COMIC talk page, Ultimate character entries should be merged into the character's main article.--Chris Griswold 05:26, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Merge--Chris Griswold 05:26, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Merge per nom. EVula 14:52, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Merge Dr Archeville 15:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

No Merge Mrwednesday 21:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Merge not enough difference between chars -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 19:05, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Closed with CONSENSUS TO MERGE CovenantD 17:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

The Ultimate characters are becoming a thing of their own. Let Ultimate Angel be his own man.

[edit] Including X-Men: Children of the Atom miniseries

Warren's early years pre-Xavier recruitment are best described in the Children of the Atom miniseries covering, among other plotlines, Warren's experience upon discovering he was a mutant.

[edit] LGBT

This article does not belong in the category LGBT characters. Archangel is not gay; a minor derivative of Archangel is kind of gay in that "I'm in love with a gender bender in a fictional story, but it all turns out OK because she's really a girl" kind of way. List articles are preferable to categories in this instance. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 11:46, 9 October 2006 (UTC)