Talk:Apocalypse (comics)
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Anyone out there have a better picture of Apocalypse? No offense to Dave DeVries (who produces excellent art) and the person who initially placed the current picture up, but it does little justice to such an immensely towering figure as Apocalypse.
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[edit] Holocaust
Holocaust was in Stryfe Strike Files, the Marvel One Shot tie in to X-Cutioner's Song previously mentioned. This was a hint of his eventual appearance in our world, from another reality, and there is no 616 (main marvel continuity) Holocaust. He probably died at some point. He's a son from an alternate reality. And LazerBeem was correct. I deleted the previous stuff as cleanup for the discussion area. --Kozmik Pariah 13:22, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Return of Apocalypse
Yeah. He's back, and due to the Techno Organic Virus retcon, all they need is to slaughter some useless background normal guy and wham, Apocalypse is back. At least he only appears in the epic stuff. More Cleanup, removing the old statements. --Kozmik Pariah 13:23, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Apocalypse's Name
Has anyone attempted to translate "En Sabah Nur" into a language other than 'Arabic'? Ancient Egyptian might be an interesting (and more sensible) candidate. Breaking down the sounds in the name, the (computer) transliteration would probably be in sbA nwr or in sbi nwA.
- In my admittedly limited knowledge of Hebrew it means something like "Well of Seven Lamps" 'En = Well,Sabah = Seven
Nur or Ner meaning lamp,the more recognizable meNORah containing a form of it. Sochwa 10:34, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The First One
The given translation of Apocalypse's name, the First One, into Ancient Egyptian would be most closely approximated by wa tpi (prononuced approximately as wah teh-peh-ee). Decidedly not En Sabah Nur.
[edit] First Term
The term in translates to by, and is a word that is always succeeded by a noun or noun phrase.
[edit] Second Term
There is a term zbj which means send. There is a term sbA, which translates to star or gate/doorway. It is also the verb to teach. Interestingly, there is another term sbnw (pronounced seh-beh-nu) that means to go off course, and bears an obvious similarity to sbA nwr and variants thereof. When one sees n as a suffix to a verb, it conotes the Perfect tense (i.e. has heard, has done). sbA.n might be has taught.
It's also possible this is two terms combined. z is man and zA is son, protection/safeguard, or phyle. sA is back. To connect with this term, bA is the soul or personality. bjn can mean bad or evil. Interestingly, bnr means sweet.
[edit] Third Term
There is no direct term that resembles nwr or nwA. The closest to the front portion is nw, which can mean 'time or to look after/see to. The closest to the rear portion is wr, which can mean great, elder, important.
[edit] Possible Translations
Given the preceding, "by (the) great star" (in sbA wr) might be one translation, though it omits the n. Another might be "by (which the) elder has taught" (in sbA.n wr) though it disregards the rule that in must be succeeded by a noun phrase. Yet another might be "by (the) great son (of) evil" or "by (the) protection (of) great evil" (in zA bjn wr). It's this last one that I think most closely resembles the name, phonetically.
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[edit] Powers
In Rise of Apocalypse En Sabah Nur's mutation seemed to be nothing more than disfigurment and possibly some enhanced physical abilities; he didn't seem to have access to any shape shifting abilites. I was basically under the impression that pretty much all his powers are the result of Kang's technology and the Celestials tampering with him. Is it stated somewhere that the shape shifting is a true mutation and not an ability Kang's technology or the Celestials gave him? Additionally, why under the "first mutant" section does it state that Apocalypse was immortal for centuries before being enhanced? I may be missing some information, but I was under the impression that he used Kang/Rama-Tut's technology to keep himself alive even before the Celestials altered him.D1Puck1T 22:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- I recall him growing to a fairly large size during Rise of Apocalypse, so that at least could be an innate Mutant power. I don't recall readig anywhere where it's ben said he used Kang's tech to keep himself alive for centuries (he didn't encounter the Celestial Ship until many centuries after his slave days in Egypt)... but I'm probably missing something, since I don't recall any mention of him using Kang's tech at all, but surely he would have.
- I was also under the impression that the Celestials didn't alter him, he altred himself using their tech. Dr Archeville 02:12, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- The art didn't help at all, but I was under the impression that he maybe grew a little, but mostly just upped his strength, and that was what made the Egyptian slavers notice him. But again, I don't know if he was growing or if that art was just being messy in showing he got stronger. Still, I thought it was pretty clear that he took Kang/Rama-Tut's technology for his own use, until the Celestial involvement gave him even better toys.D1Puck1T 02:41, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- I recently got ahold of the Rise of Apocalypse. Apocalypse's power increased a few times over the course of the story. He had superhuman strength, rapid healing (he recovered from his chest being smashed with a very large boulder within a week), the ability to survive at least 5 weeks without food or water, and the ability to increase his size (although the comic implies that his ability to grow is in fact part of his ability to shapeshift, or at least related to it). He also did not seem to age in a 50 year period, hinting at his longevity.
It is possible that his immortality is a side-effect of his shape-shifting/regenerative powers, similar to Mystique and Wolverine.
The best example of Apocalypse increasing his height and mass, that I've seen, wasn't in any comic but rather the X-Men animated series back in the 1990s. I think the episode was titled "Obsession" and it involved Archangel searching for a way to destroy Apocalypse and all that. Anyhow, Apocalypse grew to a height that had to be in the vicinity of 100 feet. I don't know if he's capable of growing anywhere close to that height in the comics or if it was just a little creative license used on the show since it wasn't part of the X-Men comics. Odin's Beard 17:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Trivia
"Apocalypse looks somewhat similar to Darksied from the DC comics in his second incarnation and, in crossovers, might even be related to him." I'm not seeing the similarity (other than possible skin tone and basic build), and I'm not familiar with any crossover that's implied they're related. Dr Archeville 23:30, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Only problem is that crossovers between the two universes aren't considered to be canon. Take the DC Vs. Marvel crossover back in the mid 1990s, it's not considered canon since it gives each universe an excuse as to why their own characters were defeated in fights. To my knowledge, Darkseid and Apocalypse have never met in any Marvel/DC crossover. Darkseid has come several Marvel characters during crossover events, most notably his Marvel counterpart Thanos and Galactus. Despite how Apocalypse has turned out, he was born on Earth in ancient Egypt. He's human but is also believed to the world's first mutant. Darkseid is an extraterrestrial. They have similar personalities in the sense that they're both tyrannical, ruthless, and similar personal philosophies. They're often considered to be "godlike" because of their powers and intelligence, but there's no real connection between them. Odin's Beard 16:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- That's what I was thinking; I'll remove that Trivia. Though, I believe the last Marvel/DC crossover -- the JLA/Avengers thing -- is considered canon in both. Dr Archeville 18:34, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I've heard that as well, but I'm not really sure. I've browsed over the discussion area over some of the articles, such as Thor, and some say it's canon and some say it isn't. I don't really know if it is, but I'm not gonna disagree if someone says it's canon. Why would that one be canon, however, and not all the others though? Odin's Beard 22:38, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- Who can say? I do know they're referenced Krona-as-Cosmic-Egg in at least one non-crossover DC comic, and they've referenced the events in some recent OHOTMU issues (such as the entry for Galactus in the Fantastic Four 2005 OHOTMU). Dr Archeville 23:34, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] General Format
A large part of this text is in present tense, which would be appropriate for a proposal, but is inappropriate for an article, especially considering the fact that these events have all happened in the Marvel Universe. The text should be changed to strictly past tense, save for any sections describing ongoing events. KuriosD
[edit] Should the theory about Apocalypse's powers being not at full development and the statment about him being one of the most powerful beings in the MU be included?
The first is just a theory and if there isn't anything to back it up should it really be in the powers and abilities section since it is just a "fan" theory?
Also, I know Apocalypse is powerful, but considering the seemingly large number of other beings whose powers dwarf his such as the abstracts, Celestials, primary mystical entities, skyfathers, etc. should this statment really be in there? seekquaze
