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[edit] Says Who?

"However, he [Snowball] is far from perfect and agrees in the uniting of the apples by the pigs. This suggests that had Snowball triumphed the outlook for the animals would have been not much better under his leadership than Napoleon's"

...the incident does indeed indicate that Snowball/Trotsky was not perfect regarding the temptation to exploit party status for material self-interest, and helps establish Snowball as an imperfect personality, avoiding depicting his conflict with Napoleon/Stalin as a simplistic good guy vs. bad guy arrangement. That aside, the book very strongly suggests that the farm would have been much better off had Snowball been able to retain power. That's my impression, anyway; it'd be rather POV to put such a thing in the text. Much like the second sentence above, wherein someone's personal opinion somehow snuck in there.

OK to nix? Or does mainstream critical analysis of the book actually suggest that Snowball would have been just as bad a leader as Napoleon? What I've read suggests quite the contrary; will edit that bit in a week or so unless someone talks me out of it.

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Since I'm not reading any objections on this here discussion page, I've gone ahead and tweaked that point in the interest of sustaining NPOV. The current text is a bit of a compromise, but at least doesn't push any particular thematic interpretation onto the article. 69.129.125.79 10:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

...

What with all the (vandalism-necessitated) reverts happening recently, I'm not sure that my edit is going to survive-- but as long as that POV statement gets/stays removed by *somebody*, I'm happy. Will leave it to the wiki-heads from this point; thank you for giving an anon edit consideration. 69.129.125.79 21:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dead Prez

I don't like or agree with them, but calling them "radical socialist" sounds a wee bit POV. MafiaCapo 02:24, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Windmill

Considering the "Allusions/references to actual history, geography and current science"-section about the windmill: Trotsky never advocated for "Socialism in one country"; he was always an internationalist. The ideas of "Socialism in one country" were developed by Stalin as a pseudoscientific, polemic answer to Trotskys ideas of the "Permanent Revolution".

--Mikkel Bue Lykkegaard 14:22, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Animated Version and the CIA

Professional movie reviewer Roger Ebert wrote:

The animated version of "Animal Farm" (1948) was paid for by a CIA front, and twisted Orwell's fable about totalitarianism both East and West into a simplistic anti-communist cartoon.-Source
Link broken. Another source: Laurence Zuckerman in the NYT, 2000--R.H. 11:48, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the CIA front claim, and I personally disagree with Ebert's "twisted" evaluation. I always felt that the book, along with 1984, was chiefly if not entirely about Communism's excesses.--Uncle Ed

Interestingly enough, it was the first feature length British animated film.

I really think the note about interpreting "ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL… BUT… " should be removed. To use either MORE or LESS when talking about EQUALITY is an absurdity. This has always irked me, and if no one objects, and can argue that it should be retained, I will delete this within the week. Kalki 20:11, 2003 Nov 9 (UTC)

"ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL, BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS" is supposed to be ironic and absurd. The point is most of the animals are so stupid, they don't recognize the saying as being strange.
The idea is that they, the pigs, have such a great control over the animals that they can change the rules and a)the other animals won't even notice the change, and b)they can slowly take over the other animals by using logical fallacies to convince them.

Well, yeah... I don't doubt it's most possible purpose, and I don't deny George Orwell might've thought of humour in that grim situation of the Animals, but...sometimes...it has other - double, perhaps - meaning's, aswell. To interpret what it would directly mean can be interesting to some, even if makes no apparant sense. Any attempt to make it a useful statement I'm willing to give a shot, but I won't care. It's atleast nothing logical, and still just pointless propaganda (And any philosophing on it being anything but unsincere) in my ears. But...well, if that's what people want to read..give them bread and circus!--OleMurder 00:03, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Thinly veiled?

Gotta look it up in a day or so, but Orwell wrote a letter to his publisher when "Animal Farm" was in the last stages of preparation for press, asking him if he could change some detail sentence, about Snowball's precise location in some point in some battle, as "I have found out that Trotsky was probably not in [thus-and-such-place during thus-and-such incident]." I hadn't realized this myself, but obviously Orwell intended it to have a very detailed relationship to history, and only my ignorance of the history of the Soviet Union prevented me from realizing it.

There's also some letter to a publisher in which he says, in reference to Animal Farm, something like "I'm working on something now but it is so not OK politically that Gollancz will never accept it..."

As I say, details when I have time to look them up. They're all in the Collected Essays, Journalism and Letters.--Dpbsmith 16:30, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

Orwell subtitled his novel "A Fairy Story". If he didn't want to veil it he would never have given such a subtitle (Does it read like a fairy story to you?). It is meant to mislead the authorities but not others.
The whole point of a satirical allegory is to represent something in another mode. Why? Think about it. "Thinly veiled" is not wrong. Authentic representation does not mean the book can't have a few red herrings to throw the unsuspected parties offguard.--Mandel

[edit] Animal Farm (Fictional government)

This page is a recent creation, but I can't honestly see justification for its inclusion since there is nothing there that couldn't be in here, it's just awfully silly. I just though I'd offer it to you for improvement, but I will VFD it if it is not improved.

If you say so. But I think it could only be a section of this article.--OleMurder 00:03, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pincher

I don't know who took out Pincher as the leader of the Animal Guard. I'm not sure if you know, but there was a film adaptation of Animal Farm in 1999, starring Patrick Stewart, Ian Holm, and Kelsey Grammer. In the movie, Napoleon makes Pincher the leader of the Animal Guard. I even put Pincher down in the fictional military people.--B-101 12:32, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Modern 2002 view removed by User:64.230.96.197

The section was removed by User:64.230.96.197, perhaps by error, when inserting a link. There seems to be no explanation here for the removal, so I am restoring it.--Hu 17:41, 2004 Nov 18 (UTC)

Sure, that's cool...I don't doubt so...if it's really that pointfull to restore it...BUT! Why are you so sure it was in harmless intent, by incident?--OleMurder 00:03, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Suggest 9 possible wiki links and 2 possible backlinks for Animal Farm.

An automated Wikipedia link suggester has some possible wiki link suggestions for the Animal_Farm article:

  • Can link Animalism: ... Animal Farm), the pigs, who have developed the doctrine of Animalism and lead the revolution, gradually take over. The two [[boa]]... (link to section)
  • Can link history of the Soviet Union: ...ers in Animal Farm are all carefully drawn to represent the history of the Soviet Union and Orwell makes this explicit in the case of Napoleon who... (link to section)
  • Can link real world: ... letters. The other characters have their analogies in the real world but care should be taken with these comparisons as they do ... (link to section)
  • Can link a new song: ...nd]]'', but later, Napoleon and the other pigs ordered that a new song be sung in it's place. This is a reference to the replacemen... (link to section)
  • Can link state socialism: ...[[Soviet Union]], probably for the purpose of distancing Soviet state socialism with Trotsky's revolutionary socialism. ... (link to section)
  • Can link live action: ...successfully revolt against the pigs. There was also a 1999 live action film directed by John Stephenson. In addition, radical soc... (link to section)
  • Can link John Stephenson: ...the pigs. There was also a 1999 live action film directed by John Stephenson. In addition, radical socialist rappers [[Dead Prez]] released... (link to section)
  • Can link John Reed: ...===now of the book's premise=== In [[2002]], the American author John Reed published ''Snowball's Chance''. This book adopts Orwell's... (link to section)
  • Can link western countries: ...on had suffered less from the [[Great Depression]] than most western countries, and because Stalin had led the Soviet Union in the success... (link to section)

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  • In Recurring South Park characters, can backlink animal farm: ...=== Big Gay Al is a [[stereotype]]d [[gay]] man. He runs an animal farm for gay animals who have been rejected by [[homophobia|homo]]...
  • In Windmill Farm Railway, can backlink Animal Farm: The '''Windmill Farm Railway''' is located at the Windmill Animal Farm, Burscough, near [[Ormskirk]], Lancashire.The railway opera...

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[edit] Differences between the book and the 1998 movie

There's a whole section like this that reads like it was written by a high schooler, including the line "Mr. and Mrs. Jones went home and got it on."

While I've not seen the movie and have no reason to doubt that this happened, that doesn't seem to be very "encyclopedic".

Also it's written in a first person point of view, with a lot of "I" statements, as in, "I didn't include them all, so if you know of any others, go ahead and add them."

I personally see little to no redeeming value in this section whatsoever and, at the very least, should be rewritten to something appropriating more professional language.--159.121.130.84 12:44, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more, this sounds like a school report, not a serious encyclopaedic entry Twrist 21:57, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to lend my support to the removal of this section, or at least to its replacement with a brief sentence referencing the movie. In its current form it serves only to trivialize the book (not to mention this article). --Koyna 11:02, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
It goes on and on and on and doesn't get anywhere. If the differences between the novel and the movie are that important, perhaps we could make a new novel, and get it rewritten by someone else? But I'd support removing that section completely.

Well? First of all, let's not take any extreme choichepoints here. (Heh! New word invented.) Section-removal, yaddah, yaddah. Hey! What's so wrong 'bout school report's anyways? It depends on how you read between the lines. Although I know the sex-lingo "Get it on"....Be prepared that it might've been literally. To get something on. And if you think that's dirty-meanin'..well, it depends...it doesn't necessarily mean the author thought so, but the reader. Stop thinkin' "briefcase". Pretend that it's not. And if they did ('Get it on'), it's a fact, who cares about the phrasing? Oh yeah, go ahead, write "sexual intercourse". I'll laugh my arse off over this academic quabbling. To the people who search care? I know I don't except for helping to resolve conflicts, like this.--OleMurder 00:03, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

The claim that the movie was true to the book looks very POV to me. The movie explicitly rejects Old Major's teaching, which the book does not do. In the book, the animals wind up as bad off under the pigs as they were under Mr. Jones. The movie, on the other hand, has a happy ending with new human owners taking over the farm, bringing back the "good old days". It's not at all true to the book.--RLent 21:21, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is the similarity in meter between "Beasts of England" and the German National Anthem a coincidence?

Since I first read Animal Farm in High School, I've always wondered whether there was some hidden significance to the similarity in the meter of the Animals Anthem Beasts of England and the German National Anthem (Once known as Deutschland Über Alles).

Without too much strain, the meters do match. You do have to spread some of the syllables (Such as the 'aw' sound in trod and the 'ah' in alone) out over several notes, but that is not uncommon in music.

Beasts of England, beasts of Ireland, 
Beasts of every land and clime, 
Hearken to my joyful tidings 
Of the golden future time. 

Soon or late the day is coming, 
Tyrant Man shall be o'erthrown, 
And the fruitful fields of England 
Shall be trod by beasts alone.
When I first read Animal Farm, for some reason I realised the meter fits very nicely (In fact, perfectly ... no straining needed) to 'La Cucaracha'. Still does ... try it! Proto 11:22, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Or 'My darling Clementine', come to think of it.--Proto 09:55, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I had always assumed that "Beasts of England" essentially equalled Internationale. The original Soviet Union anthem, and later gotten rid of by Stalin. Infact, these lyrics fit the tune of Internationale!--Oldak Quill 4 July 2005 12:41 (UTC)

[edit] Identical Article

I found this when I was looking up other Animal Farm information. The meta date expiration tag for their site showed a date in 2003. Which do you think ripped the other?--^demon - 6/08/05, 02:08 UTC.

  • From the page you linked to:This article was derived fully or in part from the article Animal Farm on Wikipedia - the free encyclopedia. All text is available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License. --Canderson7 01:11, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] What is Animal Farm about?

I did Animal Farm as a set book about 1962 - it was presented to us then as a very close allegory of the events in Soviet Russia (E.g. the Socialism in One Country vs World Revolution debate). And contrary to the intro to the present article Orwell was not a CP-Sympathiser for most of his life . He witnessed aspects of the CP-Behaviour in the Spanish Civil War which made him suspicious of the Moscow-directed CP. He was a good old fashioned thinking British leftie :-) Suggest we amend the silly last sentence in the intro.--Linuxlad

I think the book was merely a distrust of some Communist's genuine-ness in helping people, not the ideology of Communism itself. Of course, Capitalists like to twist this book, well around their fingers, and use it against Leftist's. The book was more about a farm led by a man called Jones Manor, that was overthrown by the Animal's, obviously enough, and they succeed, as was foretold by an old pig called "Old Major". The leaders of the revolution were "Napoleon" and "Snowball". Not giving away too much here, but some of them succeed more than the other in the long-run, and although keen propaganda and cunningness, one has to go. Read it.--OleMurder 21:13, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

(Er, thanks...) The identification of the characters presently quoted in the text is pretty standard, (and more or less as I remember it from a 1960s 'gloss') but not totally above contention - have we got a _reference_ for the version in the WP article?? (Especially the slightly POV statements on how much Mr. Blair really loved Mr. Marx greatly - which may well be true for all I know...)--Linuxlad

[edit] "Modern revisionist view"

However, Reed's critique, a concentration on the contrasts of capitalism and socialism, fails to recognize the book's message of the corruption of the ideals of the Russian Revolution and the progressive subversion of the ideals of Lenin (Old Major) and Trotsky (Snowball) by Stalin (Napoleon). The humans (capitalists, fascists, and the tsar) are in no way portrayed sympathetically. Nevertheless, the book was released at a time when Stalin was widely admired by portions of the Western Intelligentsia, partly because the Soviet Union had suffered less from the Great Depression than most western countries, and because Stalin had led the Soviet Union in the successful and dearly-won victory over Nazi Germany. The Destalinization of Russia under Nikita Khrushchev was still more than a decade in the future.

This is a critique of Reed's critique and needs to be de-POV'd before it gets back in the article. No editorials. It was the second paragraph of the "modern revisionist" section. --Mr. Billion 00:02, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Plot (long) (short)

Two seperate sections for plot is really silly. They might as well be titled Plot for those who have homework due in a week and Plot for those who have let it slide and have to hand in tomorrow. These should be deleted/merged unless someone can justify it.--MeltBanana 14:02, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree with this, I've not seen it in any other book pages. Do people think one should go or should it stay how it is?--SamTrev 22:37, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Apparently somebody already merged the two plots.--AndyZ 22:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

What the HELL is that supposed to mean? Because you see a general use for it, as in cheating at school, you decide, that a long and short plot probably is totally meant entirely for so? Talk about reading inbetween the lines way too much. Black and White. Guess WHAT!? They could've just copied the whole article, perhaps entire wikipedia is meant to help students cheat, so we should delete it! HOORAY FOR INSANITY. It doesn't need justification. People sometimes want to read the long or short plot, based on their time available on a PC. And if a student may 'cheat' because of getting a good summarization...well, there's risks to being a good enclycopedia, so if we're 'sposed to be afraid of that and take the blame for such a silly thing I'd "approve" of anyways (Who cares? It doesn't give them better succsess in life to summarize a fiction book) - then perhaps even running a site based on free information wasn't a good idea because of that possibility...it's not Wikipedia's fault if someone does, and it's not in the rules.--OleMurder 00:03, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

First off, nothing was ever mentioned about cheating... All MeltBanana mentioned was that those who have to slide and have to hand it in tomorrow. Other wikipedia articles about books to have short and long plots- they are simply redundant. AndyZ 23:29, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


YOu cannot cheat with Wikipedia. Isn't the whole point of Wikipedia is to be learning tool? If putting in both a summary for those who need a summary and a long version for those who have time to go more in depth helps them learn, why not do it?- Tom

[edit] What's this?

"When Boxer was injured, The pigs gave him a pink medicine, or Pepto Bismol, which would not help his leg. This demonstrates the communists' inability to give products that the people wanted to the people."

The communist's inability to give products that the people wanted to the people? I want to correct it but i have no idea what it's trying to say. Someone? Anon 03:09, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I think it should probably be deleted. For one thing my edition does not name the medicine and it probably has much more to do with Orwell's own dislike of miraculous medicines, obesity cures and advertising, rather then a direct criticism of communism. MeltBanana 19:06, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

excecuse me if you have ever read the book it clearly says that boxer is injured clover tries to heal his leg by herbs which she accquired by chewing on them. boxer is not given any medicine by the pigs. and that represents thaat the communist would not help thier followers. thanks ___________


The book states that he was given some medicine they found in the cabinet. Perhaps this references peoples blind faith that the medicene would help without even knowing what the medacien did? Your thoughts.-Tom

[edit] Deletion of Cold War Part

"Thanks for your contributions to Animal Farm! However, please don't delete parts of articles without stating why. Tense relationships between US and Soviet Union immediately developed with the end of World War II, and both superpowers were involved in a power struggle for dominance. Since the animals of Animal Farm were representing satirically the Soviet Union and Mr. Pilkington represented the Allied powers, it follows that the ending struggle was probably a representation of the Cold War. AndyZ 01:47, 16 December 2005 (UTC)"

Retract the part in my statement about "stating why".AndyZ 23:31, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I wrote this: "Animal Farm was written before the Cold War. (deleted bit about how the quarell between Frederick and Napoleon represented the cold war"

Although Animal Farm was published around the end of WW2, it was written during WW2.


  • My error... I'm so sorry, I was rushing my homework and reverted your edits while looking at the part in the parenthesis only. I kind of retract what I said before (not fully though), I do think rising tensions between the Soviet Union and Allies powers did prompt the Cold War and hence I restored it. It has now been changed to a more passive view, where it is now like "might have" and stuff like that. I realize that the book was written before the end of WW2, and therefore the action was not exactly the Cold War. Still, I think the two have some sort of a relationship, though it is possible that Orwell just placed it in there to further the satirical part of the book. AndyZ 23:31, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
  • No problem. Anyway, I see your point and agree with you. f00b13 December 2005 (UTC)


Orwell probably implied the rising Allied and Soviet tensions. It would have ben pretty easy to guess taht there would be rising problems. Oppenheimer predicted the Russians would get the Bomb, so even though the book was written before the Cold War Orwell still could have predicted tensions.-Tom

[edit] Shoddy Analysis

"Napoleon is Orwell's chief villain in Animal Farm. Napoleon, the pig, is really the central character on the farm. Obviously a metaphor for Stalin, Comrade Napoleon represents the human frailties of any revolution. Orwell believed that although socialism is good as an ideal, it can never be successfully adopted due the to uncontrollable sins of human nature."

Did Orwell believe this, or is this a reader's interpretation of his views? I'm very familiar with George Orwell's essays and novels, and I can't recall him ever saying anything so simplistic as 'socialism is a nice idea that doesn't work in practice.' If no one objects, I'll take this bit out, aside from being of questionable accuracy it is completely superfluous. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.51.72.26 (talk • contribs) 02:55, 13 January 2006.

That statement violates Wikipedia's NPOV policy, so it should not be included in the article. Orwell clearly explains in Why I Write that everything he wrote after 1936 was against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism. Including the statement above would be distracting from the primary focus of the article and would misrepresent the most probable political motives behind Animal Farm. --TantalumTelluride 03:19, 13 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Possibly remove?

In schools Animal Farm is used in the Core Knowledge curriculum. Core knowledge is based on the interaction of different subjects in schools. The way Animal Farm comes into play is that if a student's Geography or History Class is learning about the former Soviet Union, the English class will be reading Animal Farm.

This paragraph appears in the significance section of the article. It discusses the role of Animal Farm in core curriculum. My feeling is that the paragraph is not very relevant to the topic, as the rest of the significance section discusses use as propraganda, movements, etc. Should this be removed or kept? AndyZ 23:25, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

removed - relates only to UK based examination system. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 15:06, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Looks like it has already been removed. AndyZ t 19:26, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seeds of Corruption

I think one very important point is overlooked in the plot analysis, namely that the animal revolution begins to degenerate by degrees, virtually from the outset. Napoleon's later siezure of absolute power only accelerates the whole process. To see the book as an argument against Stalinism risks turning it into an argument in favour of Trotskyism. The truth is both are equally repellant. Benjamin would have understood this. Rcpaterson 03:42, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Benjamin was an ass. Badum-tish - sorry. HawkerTyphoon 10:10, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Remember that Snowball also has special privileges and is a member of the coordinators with all the power that entails. He also does not do his share of the hard labor, instead doing only intellectual work, making decisions for others etc. It is not, I think, an argument in favor of Trotskyism. Rather it is a warning (by Orwell, a life long socialist) pointing out the dangers of the coordinator class who raise to the top and take over in Communism. Note Mr. Pilkington's remarks at dinner about the lower classes near the end of the book. --Fluxaviator 13:54, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Cat

The cat can also represent human nature; not willing to work and taking advantage of the government.

Is there a source for this? Moved it from the main page to discuss here.--Fluxaviator 13:44, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Perhaps it could be rewritten as "The cat can also be seen to represent certain facets of human nature; not willing to work and taking advantage of the government". However, this would count as original research unless someone could find a source which says pretty much this (any "Notes on Animal Farm" title should do the job). I also think that, even if the comment were re-written in this way, it should be balanced with another interpretation of the cat; the interpretation above is clearly from a particular political point of view.

[edit] Coordinatorism

Should the main article link to Coordinatorism somewhere? Seems to be exactly what Orwell was warning of. --Fluxaviator 14:07, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so. It seems a bit like original research to include it as he obviously wasn't writing about it directly as he pre-dates the term even if he anticipates it. Writing "Some people think that Orwell was writing about Coordinatorism." will make some other people reading the article say which people? MeltBanana 02:10, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Last Revision

I just spellchecked the last revision in the significance part, but it still needs someone to clarify and add links.

[edit] Allusions to actual event

"Napoleon's later alliance with the humans — Stalin’s non-aggression pact with Hitler in the early years of WWII."

Considering this book was completed in 1945 couldn't napoleons cooperation be analogious to the alliance of the UK, USA, and the USSR, and couldn't the ending scene be a reference to the conferences at tehran, yalta and potsdam? seeing as the cold war hadn't "started" proper when this book was completed

[edit] copy editing

I spent some time over the last few days editing most of the sections of this entry. This is my first attempt at editing on Wikipedia, so I was just taking shots in the dark. The whole article probably needs another pass.

  • I copy-edited the Synopsis and Characters sections. Mostly cleaned up commas, removed extraneous spaces, standardized use of quotation marks. Fixed a few passive verbs, but probably needs another pass. Beverson 04:37, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I copy-edited the Significance section. Tightened up this section a bit more as I felt there was some repetition and wordiness. Beverson 22:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I copy-edited the Allusions section last night. Tried to standardize each bullet. Also made sure they were complete sentences. Beverson 12:44, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I copy-edited the Cultural References and Adaptations sections. Standardized titles and punctuation. Also improved readability, primarily in Adaptations. Beverson 18:41, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I REALLY THINK THIS BOOK WAS A INTRESTING BOOK TO READ BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT THE SOVIET UNION, AND IT RELATES TO ANIMALS LIKE THE PIGS, WHEN RELATING TO SNOWBALL "TROTSKY" AND NAPOLEON "STALIN". NAPOLEON DEFEATS SNOWBALL IN THE SOVIET UNION.

[edit] Popular culture references moved into leaf article

I'd moved popular culture references (and movie adaptations) into leaf article Animal Farm in popular culture. This is rather common practice to offload the main article and keep it more focused. See e.g. Gorilla or Category:In popular culture.

Content of the section "Allusions to history, geography and current science" could possibly make separate leaf article as well. Pavel Vozenilek 21:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why the revert from Tsar back to Czar??

Re: 2006-09-17T08:53:24 by HawkerTyphoon.

The main Wikipedia entry is Tsar. That article says that the spelling Czar is less common. The spelling c-z-a-r makes me think of baseball!

Tsar
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Czar and tzar redirect here. For other uses, see Tsar (disambiguation)
Tsar (Bulgarian, Serbian and Macedonian цар, Russian царь (help·info), in scientific transliteration respectively car and car' ), occasionally spelled Czar or Tzar and sometimes Csar or Zar in English, is a Slavonic term designating certain monarchs.

My bolds. (:-) --Oryanw 17:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Humour vs. humor

The issue seems unimportant, but the revert of 2006-09-27T10:44:31 from humour back to humor seems very strange. A link was provided to policy. I quote from that policy: If an article's subject has a strong tie to a specific region/dialect, it should use that dialect. George Orwell is British, Animal Farm is a British novel, The animals revolutionary song cited in the article is Beasts of Englind. Is not h-u-m-o-u-r the British spelling?

Am I confused? Dictionary.com cites both Random House and Merriam Webster as stating that humour is British. --O'RyanW (☺ ₪) 21:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

However, the editor who changed "humor" to "humour" failed to note that the article being linked to spells it "humor". They thus changed a link directly to the related article into a link to a redirect to the article. It wasn't a big deal, but it was just easier to revert the ill-planned change rather than dig through and find the link again. Sxeptomaniac 22:07, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Oh. I see. Thanks. I really should have noticed that. Would it have been wrong to revert just the spelling in the link and leave the spelling that the reader sees British? I have done similar things elsewhere. O'RyanW (☺ ₪) 23:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
It's not really a big deal to me what dialect of English the article's in, overall. If you want to switch it to British spelling, I won't do any reverts at this point. Sxeptomaniac 17:40, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spoilers in first paragraph.

I haven't read the book and wanted to know the basic plot but the first paragraph gave away more of the story than I wanted to know. It's proably the same with other people as well. Would someone be able to rewrite the first paragraph? 156.34.215.59 17:03, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Ehm...why are you reading a Wikipedia article of a book you plan to read before you read it? That seems to go against common sense. Takua108 21:55, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cover Artist Typo

The Cover artist should be Christopher Corr, not Christoper Corr as it reads in the right column.

fixed--Acebrock 18:49, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ISBN

The book has the ISBN 0-14-012670-8.

[edit] Copyright

Animal Farm was first published in 1946, and Orwell died in 1950. As such, is Animal Farm not covered under copyright. If so, are the links the the full text links to illigal copright violation websites? It the links are copyright violations, they should be removed, if only for ethical reasons. Thegreenj 00:12, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I've recieved no response for or against this move, so I will go ahead and delete the links. If someone believes they should remain, just contact me. Thegreenj 01:33, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

What is the basis for saying "not covered under copyright"? I thought it was death + 70 years in the US? Notinasnaid 09:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry! I meant that it is covered under copyright. I suppose my first argument contradicted itself.

[edit] reference 3

reference 3 seams not to reference anything, only link to date articles --Zr2d2 03:40, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

What's with all the vandalism on this article? Troubleshooter 03:26, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

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