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[edit] Saint Angela of the Board

For being a saint.
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For being a saint.

Hello Angela:

Sorry to bother you, as I know you're very busy, but I've been pressured to leave you a little note. A while back, I wrote a "Church of Wikipedia" parody, and it has apparently caught on: Wikipedia:Catholic Church of Wikipedia. As the "WikiPope," I'm obliged to interrupt your day to inform you that you've been declared a saint, and are hereby awarded this Saint's Barnstar. Please feel free to join in with the joke if you find the time and would like to do so. Always know, in all sincerity, that we appreciate your efforts more than you can know. -- Essjay · Talk 07:20, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar! :) Angela. 21:53, August 18, 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Monobook.js in the ko Wiktionary

Hello Angela,

I have translated some weeks ago the Monobook.js of the ko Wiktionary and Wikibooks. But tooltips do not show the messages, rather nothing at all. I don't know why. -- 아흔

replied at ko.wiktionary. Angela. 21:53, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for correcting that nearly unbelievable thing! -- 아흔 13:25, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Admin overriding Arb-com

Under exactly what authority does UninvitedCompany think he can unilaterally permanently ban users, and destroy their user pages, and protect their talk pages so that they can't respond? - [1]

It should be noted that the alleged images were listed at User:Evil Monkey/Nudity as well as being considered entirely appropriate for articles, having, as far as I can tell, already survived IFD, and have been on Wikipedia for over a month.

Note that an arbcom case has only just opened and has by no means come down with even remotely any penalty such as a ban. UninvitedCompany seems to think he has greater authority than ArbCom, and can completely act outside it.

Does UninvitedCompany has infinite power and permission to unilaterally with impunity?

Particularly when the user/victim in question has challanged a prior abuse of adminship by UninvitedCompany in an RfC, and has diametrically opposed political opinions?

This seems to be a case of right wing evangelical Christian admins thinking they have the right to dictate to everyone else.

It also seems in contempt of the arbitration committee's right to make the decision.

SomeAccountThatIWillListOn-Ril'sUserPageWhenOrIfIEverGetItBack (-Ril-) 12:13, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't see many objections to the decision at User talk:-Ril-/ban. Since this is already part of an ArbCom case, I'm sure they can deal with it. Angela. 21:53, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Violating Wikipedia rules

May I ask you to have a look at the Talk:Elvis Presley page? To my mind, my opponents User:Ted Wilkes and User:Wyss are violating the rule that there should be no personal attacks against other Wikipedia users on discussion pages. Ted Wilkes has even deleted my recent contribution to the talk page. See Talk:Elvis Presley, history. I have only summed up some facts and presented an additional source which proves that the claims by Dee Presley have been discussed by Elvis fan groups. Significantly, when I stated that I was moving on some days ago, my opponents had nothing else to do than immediately hurry to the Nick Adams, Natalie Wood and James Dean pages in order to delete all contributions I have written. I think this is not fair play. Here is my contribution which has been deleted by Ted Wilkes: [2] He has also deleted other relevant passages from the Talk:Elvis Presley page, for instance, the excerpts from the critical article by Professor Dr Wall. See [3] Could it be that Ted Wilkes is identical with JillandJack alias DW? Onefortyone 15:21, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

IMO, User:Ted Wilkes and 141 have both strayed so far from WP policy that reasoned consensus discussion of the Elvis Presley article is at the moment not possible. For now, I'll defer to others less involved. Wyss 15:34, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, Wyss, as everybody can see from the discussion pages, I do not think that I "have strayed outside WP policy" as I always cite the sources (books, articles, reviews, webpages) which support my contributions. Onefortyone 15:38, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
I think it's rather plainly established you've been skillfully gaming the system, using both fabricated and worthless citations to seed WP and its mirrors with misleading keywords in order to promote Bret's discredited book. Wyss 15:42, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
I think this is a personal attack. As I said, I frequently cite several independent sources. They all support my view. You and Ted Wilkes are the users who, from the beginning, were constantly denigrating these sources. Onefortyone 15:55, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
I think 141's conflating WP policies regarding sources with those on personal attacks. Anyway I won't muddy Angela's talk page with more responses. Wyss 16:03, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
Have either of you gone through any of the procedures suggested at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution? Perhaps mediation would help? Angela. 21:53, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Homestar Runner Wiki hosting offer

Angela, I want to thank you for offering to host the Homestar Runner Wiki on Wikicities. We've had several people over the last few months suggest that we move to Wikia or Wikicities. I especially appreciate your generosity in offering to make exceptions to your advertising policy. However, as long as we have members willing to donate, and as long as it's practical for us, we'd prefer to maintain our independence. We will keep you in mind if we feel in need of your services in the future. Thanks. — Joey Day (talk·edits) 05:35, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Macedonia(ns)/disclaimer poll

As you already know, there is an ongoing poll here about the use of a Disclaimer stating that "Wikipedia has no official position concerning the use of the name Republic of Macedonia etc.". As in previous cases (most notably the Macedonians/Macedonian Slavs poll) this poll would be decided by grossly nationalistic voting.

The author of the poll told me this:

You are right that the poll was not a good idea, since the NPOV is not subject to negotiations, but I have no way to remove those disclaimers: the Greeks keep reverting them and the rest of world avoids entering in the negotiations of Balkan issues like the plague. I was hoping that the poll would attract some people, but instead it attracted the same old Greeks vs. non-Greeks. bogdan | Talk 19:10, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

As a fellow Wikipedian, I can not be more than terrified by this statement. Not surprisingly, the "For the disclaimer" vote is 100% composed of ethnic Greek votes, and currently it is in the lead. It is in my deepest belief that Wikipedia should not mould under the pressure of nationalism (from neither side). That is precisely why I am abstaining of the poll, stating my reasons here.

Please, your possible avoidance of entering in the negotiations of Balkan issues like the plague is causing Balkan disputes to conform to nationalist narratives (logically, to the narrative of the biggest nationality), and this is something that is done in direct opposition to NPOV policy. It is mostly up to neutrals to decide on the issue, and it is only up to them to stop nationalism. So, please, participate in the discussion. --FlavrSavr 15:08, 21 August 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Sock puppetry

BTW, there is a clear case of sock puppetry in the poll. User:Odysseas is appearing under under nickname - Colossus, and he's not even trying to hide it. As far as I know, sock puppetry is a serious crime here on Wikipedia, especially when it comes to voting. Will some administrator please do something about this? --FlavrSavr 12:34, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

What evidence is there for the sockpuppetry? Odysseas has been editing since April, and Chronographos Colossus since January, so if they are sockpuppets, they weren't created for this vote. Angela. 16:02, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
Most likely, Colossus copied # [[User:Odysseas|Odysseas]] and only replaced only replaced the second "Odysseas" to # [[User:Odysseas|Colossus]]. It's not really a conclusive evidence of sockpuppetry. bogdan | Talk 16:26, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Angela, I didn't mention Chronographos at all. It is very suspicious that Colossus links his vote to Odysseas, but you're right, that might not be a conclusive evidence. Sorry guys for bothering you. --FlavrSavr 17:31, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
I meant Colossus. It was just a typo. You could ask David Gerard to check the IPs if there is evidence that they are sockpuppets, but from the length of time they've both been editing, it doesn't seem too likely. Angela. 17:58, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] You were right

User:Odysseas and User:Colossus are not the same user (IP check done). I guess that this time I got carried away. I put my personal emotions, my personal dissapointment of the general apathy of the English Wiki administration (with issues concerning Macedonians), before actually investigating the matter. I should have cooled down a bit before doing that. Sorry guys. --FlavrSavr 01:23, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia and Trademark / Copyright

Hello Angela,I want to inform you as a board member about the site: http://www.lfshosting.co.uk/wipi/index.php/Main_Page that claims the name Wikipedia ( Welcome to the LondonFetishScene Wipipedia, the free-content Fetish and BDSM encyclopedia that anyone can edit.). Isn't that a forbidden use? Thanks a lot - 217.237.151.226 22:03, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't know. "Wipipedia" might be sufficently different from the word "Wikipedia" to not represent a trademark issue. It seems a parody on the word, rather than an attempt to mislead anyone into thinking that they are Wikipedia. If you're concerned though, you can email our legal team at juriwiki. Angela. 22:34, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] In case you haven't noticed...

You may want to pay a visit to this article. Sjakkalle (Check!) 11:31, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Wow... my first VfD'd article. Now I feel like a true Wikipedian. :) Angela. 11:33, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Pashtun

Why this revert? It's lousy English, but that's par for the course on that page. As I understand it, the question of whether or ot the Swati are Pashtun is much-argued. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:39, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

I probably thought it was the article namespace. The edit's ok for a talk page so I've put it back. I was being too hasty since the same IP had been creating spam pages and removing valid information randomly from other pages. Angela. 07:20, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

I never said "thanks" for your answer to my long question at svwiki, did I? Shame an me! Thanks a lot, it helped - it solved some tension at the moment, and since it is posted on the svwiki it is there for anyone to check whenever they feel like. / Habj 09:29, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm glad it was useful. :) Angela. 09:39, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Miranda IM

I thought that GPL is a license for software and not to documents, it makes sense that a screenshot of software that licensed under GPL will licensed under the GFDL. --Haham hanuka 16:45, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] User:EKBK

Hmm, just like the dozen other new userids and IP addresses that suddenly showed up for the purpose of reverting to User:Zephram Stark's new edits to the article. I understand why you did what you did, but I hope you understand why Wikipedia:Assume good faith was sorely stretched in this instance. Jayjg (talk) 19:04, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Arabic WikiSource

Hi Angela ... i wanna thank u for establishing the new separate arabic wikisource site , i,m famous in the arabic projects as chaos . i just wanna ask if there a quick method for transferring all the texts added to the old arabic wikisource site [4] to the new site quickly ... if not there is no problem .. thanks for ur efforts in Developing Wikipedia --Unfinishedchaos 13:07, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nice to see you

...still have time to stop in. I know your Trustee duties keep you busy, but it's good to see you occasionally in VfD and other discussions. Denni☯ 01:08, 2005 August 26 (UTC)

[edit] Please confirm project namespace with Brion

Hi Angela!

Please see bug 3272, regarding a namespace with Hebrew spelling at he.wikisource.org, and confirm with Brion that this is OK.

I find it a little strange that confirmation is even needed, because "Wikisource" is spelled in different letters in different languages, just like "Wikipedia." At the language domain requests in Wikisource, the people requesting each language also requested how to spell the project's name in each language. Maybe it would be a good idea to simply confirm with Brion that they are all OK.Dovi 14:53, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you.Dovi 20:17, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] re American Idol revert

I looked at the web site in question [5] and thought it too garish and horribly unprofessional to possibly be an "official" fan site. If it still is, then by all means keep it. I meant to remove the link altogther; I see where the confusion may have come from. It was added and reformatted by two different but very similar IPs; when I rolled back, it only rolled back the recent IP's formatting but not the original link. I'll remove the link to achieve the rollback I originally intended, then we can work from there. --Golbez 07:26, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, it's no problem,. I was halfway through writing the above comment (you can see where, in fact) when I noticed the problem, and you were right to fix it. :) --Golbez 07:31, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Please check your e-mail

I sent you something regarding Esperanza and I need a quick, prefferably affirmative, response. Thanks. -JCarriker 23:07, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

I have changed the Esperanza intro as you requested. :) Redwolf24 (talk) 02:08, 29 August 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Adding Own Photos

I am feeling very challenged here. I just want to add a picture from my own camera to a non-profit wiki project that is not related to wikipedia. Just? It looks painfully complicated. Is there a specific description (or link to such a probably! common problem) of how to add graphics from one's own camera, and willing to give it to the world, which is relevant to wikipedia and equally relevant to adding to our own non-profit community wiki project? Garrison Roo

[edit] denar

Hello Angela! I've just read Denar and I'm wondering if we can find more sources regarding the usage in middle ages. Perhaps this wiki should be merged with Dinar. MATIA 16:03, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Old Ford

Aha! You are a big fan of the The Big Breakfast ??

This area is about to be ruined by the 2012 Olympics, so I am busy with my little camera... LoopZilla 08:24:21, 2005-08-31 (UTC)

[edit] Is our Terri Schiavo article good enough for a Fac?

Hello, Angela:

You may barely remember me. I wrote you probably once or twice a long time ago because of concerns over the lack of stability of the "wiki" concept -and a potential for underpaid editors to have lower contributions --I vaguely recall.

Anyhow, I'm seeking feedback (and support, if it's appropriate) for a Fac. Here, in the little box below, is a post I sent to Jimbo -and do know we've worked very hard on the article. (PS: When I say "Lakeland" below, Jimbo will understand, as he lives close to where I live --I live in Lakeland, Florida, U.S.A., about 60 - 70 miles from Terris Schiavo's parents, and, due to my court battles, they personally know me, and they think highly of me --I hope :-)


Mr. Jimbo,

You remember me: I'm the Lakeland wiki contributer who went to court for Terri and almost won -actually doing better than Jeb Bush: (we both lost, as you well know, and this should be an interesting topic, as you, like I, live nearby to where the Schiavo ordeal unfolded)



Anyhow, I hate to bother the top brass, but the Schiavo article is a Featured Article Candidate, and, while some of the critics have good points about image copyright concerns, most of the other criticisms are unfounded (e.g., length of article must be long to "do justice," etc.), I think the article is stable and very well-written.

Slightly over half of the "votes" are against it being a "Featured Article," but I've whipped the article in shape -with help from many other editors, including Mark (aka →Raul654), the Fac editor. Please honor our combined hard work & team-effort, and use your "god-like" powers, just once more, before you give them up. Thank you.--GordonWattsDotCom 10:13, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your time and concern.--GordonWattsDotCom 10:54, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

I've never voted on FAC, so I'm not really the right person to ask. Angela. 11:28, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
Well, you must be busy on many things, and I understand, as we can't all be specialists in all areas. Nonetheless, as an authority figure of some sort, you have influence (or could "ask someone" to look into it, eh?), and your voice counts! If you think its worth your time, come on over -if not -I understand: I'm busy with things too. Warm Welcomes from across the seas: Have a nice day, in Great Britian, all the same.--GordonWattsDotCom 13:08, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Katrina victims

Angela, Jimbo suggested that I talk to you about about an ad-free wikicities site for refugees in Marshall. Some of them are still looking for people and others just need an outlet for their stories. I would transcribe everything, because most victims don't have internet access, but if you'd be willig to do that I'm sure I could find a computer donor. This could be a low cost way wikipedia could help Katrina victims, without distracting ourselves from our primary goal. Please get back to me as soon as possible. Thanks. -JCarriker 16:37, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Idea for possible project - worth exploring?

Angela, just thought I'd pop up with an idea, though I understand if it isn't feasible. Having spent some time recently browsing a few articles on subjects I wanted detailed information about, it seems to me at present that Wikipedia is ideal for looking up the collective knowledge of WP's users, but is somewhat limited in allowing the reader to actively tap into this knowledge. For this reason, I would like to suggest an Answers project. Although these exist in abundance on the internet, many charge for content and do not have the pool of knowledge that WP has at its disposal. Further, the anyone-can-edit nature of WP seems to be the most effective way of providing answers to questions a browser might have.

As it stands, a question on a particular subject that is not answered in the article could be added to the discussion page, but for articles that concern a somewhat more obscure subject matter, the talk pages are often blank or, I'd imagine, rarely viewed. The Answers project I had in mind would work in conjunction with Wikipedia by linking the questions asked to the Wikipedia article. Ideally, the answer to the question would then consist of an update to the WP article, thus improving the article that the average reader comes across.

The format I had in mind would enable readers to submit a question. Such questions would be collected in one place, but organised by, say, categories. So if a reader had a question about John Paul Jones, the Led Zeppelin bassist, a post to the discussion page of his article might not yield much, but if the question were to appear with other questions on rock music or rock musicians, it would surely reach a much wider audience (namely, all those who contribute to similar articles on Wikipedia).

Apologies if this idea isn't workable, or I haven't worded my suggestion very well, but I'd be keen to hear what you make of it. Collecting the sum of all knowledge, as WP aims to do, is made all the more valuable if it can actively fill gaps in knowledge, and it seems to me that Wikipedia is ideally placed to do just that. Thanks for reading! --High(Hopes) 19:24, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Angela, thank you for taking time to reply. I feel something of a prat having spent all that time writing the above (and causing you to read it - if you managed to get through the whole lot!) - I had never seen or heard of the reference pages. The idea I had in mind was a little more elaborate, but I'm sure the reference desk has served WP well in the past, and I look forward to using it. Many thanks, --High(Hopes) 22:42, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you.

I want to thank you for moving the Council for Excellence in Government page and reminding me to wikify it. It was surprising to me that the Council did not previously have a page, especially since all the living ex U.S. presidents are on its board. I'm glad I could add that to Wikipedia.

Andrew Straw

[edit] "British" Disambiguation link repairs

I'm fairly careful about disambiguation repair - with British, most usages do tend to be for either United Kingdom or Kingdom of Great Britain, although I've also pointed a few to British Empire, Great Britain, British English, Royal Navy, or Brythonic, as needed. I'm pretty sure that users are generally not intending to link to the disambiguation page, so I'm trying to at least get closer to their intent. -- BD2412 talk 16:10, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

  • I do it all by hand - quite flattering, actually, to be suspected as a bot! -- BD2412 talk 04:01, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vandal

I think the word is block and the IP address is 68.66.95.135 (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log) for vandalism on User:SlimVirgin. (Also see contribs) Thanks. --None-of-the-Above 09:29, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Blocked. Angela. 09:36, September 8, 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Science pearls

Hello,

Since you contributed in the past to the publications’ lists, I thought that you might be interested in this new project. I’ll be glad if you will continue contributing. Thanks,APH 10:59, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Arabic numbers

Hello Angela .. i wanna thank you for your interest in the arabic Projects , actually i want to convert the system of numbers in the Arabic sister Projects : Ar_wikibooks , Ar_wikiquote , Ar_wikisource , Ar_wiktionary from Indian numerals to Arabic Numerals .. can you please lead me to the procedure for making that ...Many thanks--Unfinishedchaos 11:35, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 3 Revert Rule - explained well?

Angela, I am beginning to doubt that new users understand the WP:3RR. A user, after spending a dozen reverts over the last two days as an anon IP, is telling me "I edited the article. My edit is the one being reverted." I've heard this before. It seems that new users think that if they are restoring their edit after it is removed then the 3RR rules don't apply to them. (Even if several users are reverting their edit and even after discussion begins on the talk page.) Do we need to spell out more what this covers?

Oh, and I am now your sockpuppet... :) - Tεxτurε 20:44, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Maybe Wikipedia:Revert just needs a clearer explanation. I'm surprised it isn't obvious though. Angela. 00:00, September 13, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Use of noncommercial-only images

Dear Angela, I recently got aware that the use of noncommercial-only images is no longer tolerated at the en-wiki. Same for the de-wiki. So the question came up whether Jimbo's statement is of mandatory application to all wikis subject to the rules of the Wikimedia Foundation or whether local wikis may, if not allow then at least continue to tolerate the upload of noncommercial-only images? My concern is that at the lb-wiki, where I am a sysop, the most active image contributors, responsible for more than 50% of our images, publish all their images as noncommercial-only images. The result of an internal discussion was that none of them would ever accept to allow any commercial use of their work. Hence, a strict application of the ban of noncommercial-only images would lead not only to a fatal drop down of image contributions, but would force the lb-wikipedians to delete about 50% of their images. Is it possible to prevent this by adopting a less strict local policy? --Otets 17:37, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Since the goal of Wikimedia is to provide free content, and -NC licenses are not free, my personal feeling is that these should not be tolerated in any project. However, this is only a statement by me, not by the Wikimedia Foundation. We've never published any policy on this, and Jimbo's statement was directed at the wikien mailing list rather than more generally. I would encourage you to discuss this within your community, since my own interpretation is that these images are not allowed on Wikimedia at all, but there is no formal policy stating this. For reasons why the -NC licenses are harmful, please read this article by en:User:Eloquence. Please consider alternatives to just deleting these images. Are the original authors contactable? Can you ask them to relicense their work under a free license? Are alternative images available on the commons: that you could replace them with? Angela 19:56, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your answer. Since there is no official and general policy related to this subject, I think that we may at short term update already our FAQ on copyright issues in the way Jimbo and you construed the Wikimedia rules, but continue to tolerate images under -NC licenses in case the relevant contributors would refuse to relicense their work under a free license. I will encourage a further discussion within the community, in order to find the least harmful solution. --Otets 20:14, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
I wasn't saying there's no policy, just no written policy, other than on specific Wikipedias, like the English one. Angela.
Noncommercial images are non-free. They are absolutely forbidden in all Wikimedia projects. This has always been the policy and will always be the policy. They should be deleted promptly.--Jimbo Wales 21:31, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

I just had a look at our recent changes. The "prompt" deleting apparently has already begun. I saw even GFDL images being deleted. Btw, most of our images are about Luxembourg and these are very rare on the Commons, so the commons are certainly not an option. There goes the lb-wiki. Scaring. --Otets 23:01, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

There's a difference between being prompt and being rash. Image deletion is not reversible, so I would advise caution in checking the license of all images that are to be deleted. Listing them for a week (or however long your deletion process normally is) will give people a chance to ask the author to relicense, to find alternative images, and to ensure that GFDL images are not deleted. I don't think Jimmy's claim that they should be deleted promptly meant they are candidates for speedy deletion with no verification first that they really should be deleted. Angela. 23:06, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

I confirm that the most active image contributors of the lb-wiki are currently retrieving even their GFDL-images (on purpose, not by mistake). So losing 50% of our images in just one night reveals to have been an understatement. Intervene directly if you want, as my voice is currently not heard anyway by my sysop colleague. --Otets 23:51, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Up to now, we lost already about 6.5% of all our images. About 57% of these deleted images were published under GFDL, but retrieved on purpose but its contributor/sysop. On small wikis one wrong word can have fatal consequences - please liaise directly with the relevant sysop, as tomorrow I will unfortunately not be available and I ignore whether our third sysop will be around. --Otets 00:32, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

I don't understand why GFDL images are being deleted. Angela. 01:24, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia content on new wiki

Hello Angela,

I'm trying to get things going on the [Judaism Wiki] at WikiCities. Right now I seem to be the only active editor there - no edits by anyone else in the last 30 days, and the Wiki creator seems to have packed it in. Two questions:

  • If I could get things going, is there a process by which I could become an admin/sysop/whatever they're called for that wiki?
  • May I jumpstart the text there by copying relevant portions of text directly from articles at Wikipedia? What copyright steps would be necessary?

Thanks, -Joshuapaquin 00:15, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

replied at Wikicities:c:judaism:User talk:Joshuapaquin. Angela. 01:23, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Inactive admins

Hi Angela, we need a steward to handle removing admin status for very inactive admins on the en.wiki. Everyone wants an automatice suspend in the software, but until that gets written it seems there is consensus to remove admin rights from editors inactive for over a year and let them get them back if they want. See Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship#Inactive admins. Thanks - Taxman Talk 12:02, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hungarian Wikibooks

Dear Angela!

I'm an admin in Hungarian Wikibooks, and we have a problem. We want to change our name from Wikikönyv (sing.) to Wikikönyvek (plur.). For example, we would like to change the namespace Wikikönyv to Wikikönyvek.

  1. Is this possible? Will it cause technical problems if we do it manually?
  2. We must change hidden settings and variables on the page Language.php NS_PROJECT(?) & NS_PROJECT_TALK.

We have no sysops artful in informatics. Please help us, or tell me who could help. Gubbubu 15:13, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

replied at b:hu:User vita:Gubbubu. Angela. 18:00, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanx, I'll read it. Gubbubu 08:53, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] धन्यवाद!

I'm just getting started on my account in the Hindi Wikipedia, and I borrowed a sentence from your userpage there to gussy up my own (सदस्य:लीलंड).

धन्यवाद! (Or "धंबाद!" as they say in फीजी हिंदी...) And no, this is not a request for a new language Wikipedia ;-) ! --Haruo 10:49, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] User login statistics

I run a genealogy wiki for my family, using the Mediawiki software. It is password protected, and I would love to be able to track user login statistics, such as who logs in and when. I have so far been unable to find any info on this anywhere. Any help would be greatly appreciated - thank you!

User:Alex Ramon


[edit] Asking for Support

Hi Angela ..please i hope that u can support my request for changing the numbering system in Arabic Wiki's on [6] ...and thanks for Kindness always .. Best Regards from --Unfinishedchaos 13:22, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Alan Cox's photo

Angela - I searched for quite a while for the origins of that photo (which I have been seeing all over the place, but never in any copyrighted situation).

I will continue trying to track down the origin, because it is a decent photo for a bio page like that.

Achitnis 15:00, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Income tax

Thank you for blocking the spammer on income tax. Unfortunately, he's back under another IP address (67.191.132.153). Could you block that address as well? Thanks. — Mateo SA | talk 15:41, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

I will do, but it looks like a cable address, so it can only be a short block and they will probably be quickly back will a new IP, so you might want to request protection of the page instead. Angela. 17:32, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Edgar Allan Poe House

Dear Angela,

I just placed this article on WP:CP. It is just copy-pasted from another site, but it is a site. I know some gov writing is public domain but some isn't. I can seem to find a good description so that I will know the difference. I would really appreciate it if you could help me with this. I am asking you because I noticed that you have contributed to WP:CP quite a bit today. I figured if anyone would know, you would. I also ask, becaue I noticed that you are St. Angela of the Board. I assume some level of omnipotence comes with that title! :-) Anyway, I really would appreciate the help. Thanks, Psy guy (talk) 21:28, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it! Psy guy (talk) 22:38, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Message

Umm, excuse me madame, but when I sent a message to Encephalon, I didn't mean for you to delete it. It was not vandalism. Please do not do that again, okay?

I've not edited User talk:Encephalon, so I don't know why you think it was me who deleted any message from you. Angela. 22:03, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Oh, I'm sorry, I was impersonated by someone I know!68.47.26.123 22:37, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image License

Hi Angela, I fixed the images on the Vancouver Public Library page as you requested. I hope I did it right - I still have much to learn about the wiki world. Thanks for your help!

Alex Ramon

[edit] The charter is here. (Relating to Esperanza)

Hello Angela, the Charter for Esperanza is up. Take a looksie :) Redwolf24 (talk) 02:37, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bots

Hi! I notice that there are some anon bots who keep fiddling around with the interwiki links. Since there's no way I can contact the bot owner, should I block them from running around? User:Nichalp/sg 12:18, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

The IPs have identified themselves as robots: Here are three examples: [7], [8] and [9]. User:Nichalp/sg 05:31, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Hi Angela,

I'm still new here. I tried to add a U.S. Congress public domain tag to the images on Senator Barbara Boxer's page, but I seem to have done something wrong, because now the images wouldn't appear on her page. Please check what I've done wrong and fix it! Thank you so much!

Blue Star 14:33, 19 September 2005 (UTC)


Hello Angela,

Thank you for responding. Severel times when I've edited Barbara Boxer's page I have seen a "conflict of editing" message, although there was no one else who saved any changes to the page at that time, and either part of the text that I had submitted did not appear, or the images did not appear. I thought this was because of the enforcement of a 30k limit on the page. Yesterday for example I viewed the page from 2 different computers, and the photos did not appear. Now I see that the photos do appear. I don't know what the problem was, but now I see that either there is no problem, or that the problem has been resolved. Thank you very much or reassuring me!

Peace

Blue Star 11:45, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza made less bureaucratical

Hello again, I have (unilatterly) taken away the 'assembly' idea, as per my reasons at that edit summary and per Wikipedia talk:Esperanza/Charter. I have left the admin general, as some leadership is good. Now, all you have to do is be a member to establish consensus, the whole assembly idea is gone. Also, I have added an advisory committee, of four members, with limited power besides watching over the admin general and making sure he doesn't do anything stupid. Please look at the ammended charter, and I would love a comment. Redwolf24 (talk) 23:47, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Improve this article about Wikipedia

Are you sure those edits really happened? Please see Wikipedia talk:Improve this article about Wikipedia#Jokes. Angela. 01:19, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Replied there. Taco Deposit | Talk-o to Taco 01:24, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Hullo Angela. I have been tweaking this article and have added that our languages range from Africaans to Walloon. Is this right, are there any for the initials XYZ, please? Kind regards Apwoolrich 18:14, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Hullo Angela, I have since found that we go as far as Zulu. In fact, another editor now insists on deleting the passage as a cliche, for some reason. I don't have time to argue. Apwoolrich 18:43, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Hullo again. Can you please give a ruling on how many wikipedias there are. [[10]] has 106, the stats page has 187, with a number of inactive ones bringing the figure up to 207. For the purposes of this Esquire article project, we get the facts right. Many thanks. Apwoolrich 19:44, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Hullo Angela, Mank thanks for your help on this. Its much appreciated, and the article is now looking good, I feel. Apwoolrich 07:30, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Arabic Wikis again

Hi Angela ..i,m sorry for bothering you again about this subject , but unfortunately i got no response from wikimedia admins for long time , i hVN,T IMAGINED THAT it would be hard step ... if u have more relationships to see the status of this proplem plz i will appreciate that from u ...many thanks for ur kindness and ur patience with me [11] --Unfinishedchaos 12:04, 21 September 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Bureaucrat - :et:wiktionary

Hi, I'd like to hear your opinion: We've got 4 active, 2 less frequent and some 40 other registered users on Estonian wiktionary. Do you think we are ready to have our own bureaucrat? We are not entirely sure if it's appropriate to elect one already. Is there some general policy available? --et:wiktionary:User:Ker

[edit] The last time I'm spamming you all with Esperanza stuff

Hello Angela. As you may or may not know, there have been some troubles with Esperanza. So now, as a last ditch to save the community, please vote at Wikipedia:Esperanza/Reform on all neccisary polls. P.S. I'm very sorry for spamming you all with these messages, and this will be the last time. I recommend putting ESP on your watchlist. Cheers and please look at that, let's stop the civil war then. Redwolf24 (talk) 02:41, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Actually, can you just spam me again when it's all settled down. I've not had a chance to follow the latest goings-on and decided it was probably best to wait a few days before catching up since it's changing so much right now. Angela. 02:47, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A question about templates used for music bands and their releases

I would like to put an info box at the end of the article KUKL (and forthcoming ones) just like those used in The Beatles, etc. I have seen that for instance, in the case of the Beatles each release could have that box with information about the artists (Check out Help!), so I thought I could do the same but I don't know how. Could you tell me please, how to create them? I don't know where to find a page talking about it. Kind regards, Luis María Benítez 00:13, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. you are faster than Schumacher! Luis María Benítez 00:24, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Improve this article about Wikipedia

Hi. I had included this image in particular because it is most definitely in the public domain, and because it's an interesting tidbit, in the spirit of the random selection of interesting tidbits that introduce the article. I think a picture "wakes up" the page a little (the logo really doesn't do it) - after all, this is for Esquire, which is a glossy magazine which does put lots of pictures in its articles. Also, Wikipedia typically has pictures in its better articles. I think catchy subheaders would snap it up a bit as well. What do you think? -- BD2412 talk 02:18, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Replied at Wikipedia talk:Improve this article about Wikipedia#Volunteer hackers.3F. Angela. 02:25, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Test-b

Angela, I have created a template intended for notifing a user that a test has been reverted and references the article in question. It is tailored after {{subst:test}}. I would appreciate your opinion and input. Thanks!

By the way, thanks for your help with the script, but it does not work in Internet Explorer. Thanks anyway. Psy guy (talk) 03:16, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Once again, Angela to the rescue :)

When I got blocked, I didn't know what to do. Since I'm surfing over proxy, I couldn't reach IRC for help, it is early morning in Serbia, so all of users I could ask to help me were sleeping - the irritation from being blocked (for no reason) was combined with the grim fact that I can't do anything about it. I decided to send an e-mail to some admin - but there are so many of them, who is online? So I've chosen you, because I knew that you are always ready to help, and I remembered Jimbo's words when he was in Belgrade: "Angela is the only person on Wikipedia that could break all of the Wikipedia rules and policies and get away with it, but Angela is the only contributor that wouldn't do it in a million years!" :)

And you dashed swiftly like a knight on a white horse, and broke the abominable chains of injustice ;) Thank you very much!!

As a small token of gratitude, I present you one of the most regarded medals given on Serbian Wikipedia, The Goldfinger's Ring. You can see it in a second row on your user page on sr: -- Obradović Goran (talk 04:59, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Former answers project proposal

Angela, brief note of apology regarding my rather long-winded (and futile!) proposal for an answers project - knowing that you were fairly high up in the community, I put it on your talk page, but have since seen that there is a Proposals page at the Village Pump - I wasn't aware of it at the time, so sorry about that! --HighHopes (T)⋅(+)⋅(C)⋅(E) 13:55, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

No need to apologise. :) Angela.

[edit] Pokrajac`s reward for hard work

Hallo Angela! You are now owner of Pokrajac`s reward for hard work! You can see it in a second row on your user page on sr:. Best regards, --M. Pokrajac 21:25, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] WikiQuote in Gujarati

Dear Angela:

By clicking a link on WikiQuotes on gu.wikipedia, I was presented with the option of creation of gu.wikiquote. I did it but then I could not have the rights to change the system messages ad the navigation bar etc. So, I am helpless. Could you please depute some gu.wikipedia sysops to do so? Of course, needless is to say that I would like to accept the responsibility but when voting rights requires 400 edits, sysops must be requiring more. I do not know how many edits and new addition by me are counted towards my qualification of nomination for sysop etc.

By the way, on gu.wikipedia too the main page lacks the daily photograph and other stuff like en.wikipedia, for your information.

Karia 21:43, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

replied at q:gu:User talk:Dineshjk. Angela.

[edit] Uncyclopedia

I thought you might want to know about this. Psy guy (talk) 18:06, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

I'd seen it. Thought it best to just ignore it really. :) Angela.

[edit] Thanks

Hi Angela ..i wanna thank you for ur assistance ..actually the bug is fixed after i talked to zirland and avar in #wikimedia-tech ..i tried to talk with u but u seemed away ..anyway many thanks , and i have another question : about wikipedia , Gnu free Documentations licens ..these two sentences at the bottom of all arabic wikipages need translation ... if that is easy plz just tell me with whom i can talk for giving him the translations , another thing i want to difine the Word ( قالب ) to work as ( template ) . is that easy ? i,m sorry for bothering u with all of these questions ..but u r really the best --Unfinishedchaos 19:07, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jack Sarfatti

Angela -

You need to look at Jack_Sarfatti. Let's just say that this is a case where some read-ends may need the attention of your foot. This is apparently a vanity page, but instead of removing it, people have updated it in an -uh- intetesting fashion, and an administrator has chosen to lock it in that state.

Let me put it to you this way: Jack may have "asked for it", but if Wikipedia is at all deserving of respect he should not get this kind of treatment. If I could, I would VfD the thing as a vanity page and unencyclopedic, but since it is locked I cannot post the VfD notice. --EMS | Talk 02:17, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. If that *thing* is encyclopedic, then so be it. In that case I will let the other editors "duke it out". I must admit that I am not so sure that the "right" answer isn't to remove extraneous text from JS's preferred version and let him slit his own throat. --EMS | Talk 13:41, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Uncertainty over use of Wikipedia:Confirmation of permission template

Angela,

After I took photos, released them under GFDL, and were used in an article, I posted the template that you said here, where it is written that "You should add a note to the effect that permission has been confirmed on the article's talk page (not in the article itself), but avoid disclosing unnecessary personal details such as email addresses or telephone numbers. You may wish to use the {{confirmation}} template for this purpose," but editors routinely complain that I'm promoting myself, like here, where one editor says: "the content of this article has been derived from all users who have contributed. why is GordonWatts called out specifically?"

I do not need to call attention to myself, but I do need to follow policy.

If editors don't like your template, how else can I add a note to the talk page, a note that will stay put and not be hidden in, for example, archives.

Thx.--GordonWatts 02:13, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

I think you're confusing me with Ngb. It's not my template and I didn't add anything to that page about templates. As far as I can tell, there's no reason for you to use it. It is for cases where information has been taken from other sites, and permission to use it under the GFDL has been received, not for people editing Wikipedia to promote themselves with. There is no need to write "The content of this article has been derived in whole or part from User:GordonWatts" since you are already listed in the page history - you are editing Wikipedia, so we know the content you write here is GFDL. Angela. 10:21, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for clearing that up; I've notified the other concerned parties. Cheers.--GordonWatts 20:19, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism in Turkish Wikipedia by a Sysop

I'm very sorry to write this in your talk page for a different wiki, but sysop who named himself; Dbl2010 really confusing me. I'm a muslim so as you can see in Arabic wiki or English wiki I want to use Islamic Calender. And I prepared templates for this calender but this guy cancelled all of my work. Please help.

And thank you, --Erzurumlu İbrahim 14:36, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

You can see my template in this page: http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_Muharrem with a deletion sign.

replied at tr:Kullanıcı mesaj:Erzurumlu İbrahim#Calendar. Angela. 16:04, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi Angela, sorry for bothering. I just wanted you to inform about the issue. tr.wikipedia has already an almanac using gregorian calendar style. It is the only calendar used in Turkey and probally everywhere except arabic nations. Which more than 90-95% of Turkish speaking people uses gregorian calendar. And there is not any single request or any single complaint about current calendar system for the almanac pages. I warned him not to create another almanac which can confuse and will divide the work into 2. And I put delete tag just on the almanac style day pages. I didnt put any speedy deletion tag or permenantly deleted any pages that he creates. So even lets say I am wrong there is no "sysop" power involved as acts or as words agains his work. There are several ongoing warnings from tr:wikipedia community about his other acts like using arabic words in turkish wikipedia instead turkish and some other issues about NPOV. Regards--Dbl2010talk 18:37, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Sorry for interferring in this Issue but I think Wikiprojects are established on the idea of Freedom for all to express what they want , the thing i fight for in arabic Wikis against who wanna say their opinions only , and since English Wiki's has also the islamic calendar , i think it is Erzulmu's right to put that calendar in any Wiki . other notice islamic calender is so important for the events in Islamic History , many events in that calendar couldn,t be determined except in the Islamic calendar --Unfinishedchaos 12:18, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

About almanac thing: All I am trying to keep effectivness of Turkish Wikipedia. 2 different dating system can cause problems. I am also agree on special days about islamic events should be on islamic calendar. And I also told him that. This is not the issue that I am refusing. What I am saying is, like month ramadan here, there is only 2 special days. (Check bottom of page, the table). So there is no need to create all days of whole month. This is what english wikipedia does now. If we build with whole month and whole year we will end up lots of empty pages. And can cause possible confusions. So I am telling him just create pages that has special meanings. So I am not breaking freedom but trying to keep wikipedia as usefull as I can. Unfortunatelly this dalicate issue can be easily advertised as vandalism or enemy of freedom. --User:Dbl2010 03:25, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Watched articles

Hi. I'm not sure where to find the answer to my question, so I decided to ask you: is it possible to check who has a certain article on their watchlist(s)? Karol 17:05, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

No, it isn't possible. That would be a violation of privacy since most people will want to keep secret which articles they watch, and would also aid vandalism if vandals could find which articles were watched by no-one. Angela. 17:46, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Fair enough. I actually asked because I noticed there's an unwatched pages page (turns out to be empty). What's that about then? Karol 18:00, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Seems it didn't last long. Special:Unwatchedpages is now just an error message. Angela. 16:59, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sitenotice at ga

Hi Angela - just a note to let you know I blanked MediaWiki:Sitenotice at ga. Nice of you to ask someone local instead of doing it yourself - how culturally sensitive! --Kwekubo 22:37, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. The steward interface is broken currently, so I couldn't have done it myself anyway, but regardless of that, I don't believe in stewards assigning rights to themselves when there are local admins available. Angela. 23:02, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Need administrator upgrade at Ka...

Hi again, Angela. Here I am asking you for a favour :). As you are probably not aware, one of the Administrators at Georgian Wikipedia passed away recently (as is mentioned in the Main Page in a notice the community intends to keep for 10 days). There were 4 administrators and now we are just 3. To be honest, Sopho and I (2 of the administrators) are not currently doing much work. Our main intention was to start the project and attract georgians into it as it indeed happen fortunately. That leaves us with one active administrator at Ka. As the number of users and edits is growing rapidly, I thought it would be wise to get another person for the job. At Zangala's talk page there is a small discussion/poll between us about this (in english) and the consensus seems to be that Zangala should be the next administrator. Zangala is a very active user and has been there nearly since the Georgian Wikipedia started flourishing. Therefore, I'd like to ask you to upgrade her account to administrator at Ka.

As we are talking about this, I'd like to mention the fact we have no stewards at Ka and we have to ask you all the time we need an upgrade. Maybe it's time to get someone for the job at Ka too. Not me (not that I'd mind) as I'm not there as often as I would like but maybe Island would be a better choice.

Once again, thanks a lot and take care, Malafaya 22:42, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

I'll reply at ka. Angela. 23:02, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
Yes, Angela, thanks. I'll post the requests in the page you mentioned as soon as it becomes available. As for the steward/bureaucrat issue, you are right: I meant bureaucrat. Sorry :D Malafaya 23:21, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
P.S.: and reminder on Ka issues (as soon as the steward interface is back up): I would like ka:User:MalafayaBot to be marked as bot as it's cluttering the Recent Changes pages. Thanks Malafaya 01:22, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Couter Vandalism Unit

I have a vandalism detection bot and I feel it needs some color so I want to create a CVU logo. I am thinking of basing it on Image:CTU-Logo.png and instead of "United States of America" use "Wikipedia Foundation", instead of "Counter Terrosism Unit" use "Counter Vandalism Unit" and instead of the eagle use (which requires board permisson as you likely know). So what do you think? --Cool Cat Talk 02:01, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

(replied at User talk:Coolcat/Archive 2005#Counter Vandalism Unit)

[edit] User:EKBK

Hi Angela, this is just to let you know as a matter of courtesy that I've blocked User:EKBK, an account you unblocked on August 24, after s/he appealed to you that s/he'd been blocked unfairly. [12] I've reblocked because this account is almost certainly a sock puppet (or, at best, a meat puppet) of User:Zephram Stark, who has been causing chaos on Talk:Terrorism for a number of weeks with lots of sockpuppet accounts and open proxies. More details can be found at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Zephram Stark, which has been signed by 17 editors, and WP:RfAr#Zephram_Stark. I emailed EKBK a couple of weeks ago to ask for any information that might help to put the sockpuppet allegations to rest, but I just got nonsensical replies, and today Zephram was blocked for 24 hours at 15:24 by user:Carbonite, and EKBK turned up at Talk:Terrorism at 17:53, after a week of not editing. I'd say that all the editors who've had dealings with Zephram and EKBK believe the accounts are either controlled by one person, or that EKBK is a friend of Zephram's who turns up when instructed to cause trouble. Let me know if you need more information and I'll put together some diffs for you. Cheers, SlimVirgin (talk) 20:04, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Seems like a good decision. Thanks for letting me know. Angela. 20:07, 30 September 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Requests for Permissions

Hi Angela .. How are you ? i have applied a request for giving the sysop Oxydo in AR_wikipedia a priveliges of Bureaucrat ... unfortuanately i have seen lately that the stward interface has been disabled untill some updating would be made . please i just wanna know when that updating and modifications will end ? thanks alot for your help always .--Unfinishedchaos 12:08, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

The steward feature has been disabled and I've no idea when it will be back. You could try asking the wikitech mailing list, or Brion Vibber. Angela. 15:26, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
This is working again now, so you can leave a request at meta:requests for permissions if you still want this. Angela. 16:59, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Angela, i have a question for you. I would like to present a few ideas to someone responsible around here, regarding the use of wikipedia as host of personal propaganda and delusion such as Dom Rosario Saxe Coburg Gotha Bragança. Or, if there is any policy regarding this kind of thing. I think this is very important for this project i love so much. Would you be the right person? I would not disturb you with this if i didnt feel it as important. Cheers, muriel@pt 11:29, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

The most relevant policy is probably Wikipedia:Verifiability. If the article is really delusional, it won't be verifiable. Angela. 09:05, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for reminding me of the mistake

Thx for reminding me of the mistake I made (GPL licence for my photos instead of GFDL), I edited them to GDFL. It is, however, a shame that there aren't many quality pictures of Bishkek and Kyrgizstan in general, when I was there I saw quite a number of tourists, they could really make some good pictures (my pictures are not the best, to say the least, though they are better than nothing) --Msoos 13:06, 2 October 2005 (UTC)


[edit] MedCom

Hello, I'm sending this message out to all users listed as inactive at WP:MC. Some of you have been on leave for quite some time, and I'm hoping one or two of you may return to active (every active editor has a case assigned). I know some of you are busy with other wikimedia stuff, like Angela Anthere and Danny, and some of you are busy with academic stuff, like MacGyverMagic and ClockworkSoul. However I still want to leave this message in the hope of perhaps getting some more of you on hand. It's by no means mandatory though, so don't worry. -Acting Chair, Redwolf24 (talk) 01:59, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and as for Esperanza, everything seems to be sorted out, I've made Essjay the admin general, and we've been tinkering around having fun (like trading spaces, which isn't related to the main goal of esperanza, but people have been doing it anyway) For news I run a Spamlist of people for who to send news to (so I don't bug people who don't want to be). So feel free to join that list if you want news. Cheers, Redwolf24) 01:59, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish Wikipedia issues

I'm again very sorry to disturb you Angela but annoyance is continuing. as I said before in Vandalism in Turkish Wikipedia by a sysop.

Green parts are added by User:Dbl2010 to explain from things from different side.

He said that forgot to be a muslim in Wikipedia:

yazar kimliğinden başka diğer kimliklerini evde bırakmanı diliyorum.
Translation: I wish you to be here only with editor (writer) mission, and leave others at home before you come.

He retreated to delete my membership in my discussion page with that table:

80px|Warning sign
Devam eden bir tartışmalı konuda (takvim) kendi bildiğin gibi yapmaya devam etmektesin. Vikipedi bir topluluktur ve birlikte hareket etmektedir. Burası özgür ama aynı zaman da paylaşılan bir yerdir. Bir konu topluluktan kabul görmez ise ve kişi gelen uyarılara kulak asmadan ve topluluğu ikna edemeden inatla istediğini yapmaya devam ederse Vikipedi topluluğunun sayılmadığı anlamına gelecektir.
Translation: You are still doing your own changes about a topic(calendar), which there is an ongoing discussion about it. Wikipedia is a community and moves together. Although there is freedom here, this project is also being shared. If a topic does not accepted by community, and if user still tries to do what he wants without convincing them first, this means that user ignores the Wikipedia community.

And now he is deleting a page which is already in English Wikipedia:

http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiyat_Suresi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Adiyat
These pages are chapters of qur-an. And there is nothing more. So I suggested them to be moved to Wikisource which is right place for it. I just added delete templates with "should be moved wikisource" comment on edit summary. So none of are them are deleted.

By the way only 2 sysop is currently active in Turkish Wikipedia, I left a massage to a sysop who is already a sysop in Kurdish wiki, in this page but no reply. Maybe you can give me sysop permissions, I have already an application for this. And I don't think Dbl2010 is a right joice to be a bureaucrat. --Erzurumlu İbrahim 16:18, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Angela: I think I dont need to explain all of these but I want to to do that becasue of my respect about you and your work here. Fighting for NPOV is hard. Some people is not friendly about NPOV policy and never accepts there is another thing. So if you say there are different POVs about this and we should be respectfull, then you turn into a bad bad man. As you are a very expirinced Wiki user (Wikigoddess for me :)) I am sure you understand what is going on in real. I should also add that there is no "adminship" act or word involved against his any edits. Also thank you for your reply about showing the right way to become an administrator which is the community decision/votes. We have that policy and page for admission here. And you can also see there, that I aplied for bureaucrat status, with support by Turkish community, with only 1 oppose ;). Turkish Wikipedia community will find a way sooner or later. --User:Dbl2010 19:53, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
I also put a reply at tr:Kullanıcı mesaj:Erzurumlu İbrahim, but thanks for the clarification. I see no reason for anyone there to be losing admin or bureaucrat status. Angela. 21:10, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi Angelica, I am the other active admin in Tr vikipedi and have been watching the argument closely from the start. I've urged both to open this topic to discussion to others. I didn't want to choose sides nor finalize it quickly with a final verdict as it would not have been right. This has been a personal issue between the two where it could have easly solved with the help of the forming wiki Society. Meanwhile I do urge you the need for new admins and if possible a broucrat. Unfortunately I do not have a good candidate for any of them. Citrat

[edit] InuYasha wikicity

I'm not sure what the process for this is, but I'd like to shut down the InuYasha wikicity, which I started. I attempted - and failed - to get any sort of popular movement going, and it this point I just feel guilty for taking up server space. -Litefantastic 17:53, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I think it still has potential if anyone else wants to edit there, so I'll leave it open for now. Angela. 21:07, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Blue Cheese

Hi Angela Brookie here - thanks for the note - fair comment -I'll take my own picture this week when I buy some Blue cheese and post that! Keep nibbling! :) ...en passant! 18:04, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

That would be a much better alternative. Thanks! Angela. 21:07, 3 October 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Minnesota meetup

I appreciate your consideration, but I am far too busy to take the day to visit Minneapolis. Tell me how it goes. Thanks. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:54, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

That's a shame. Thanks for letting me know. Angela. 21:07, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Sadly, I'm going to be in Chicago from October 6th through the 16th, so I won't be able to make it. Sorry! -- Marumari 18:46, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind invitation. Replied at Wikipedia:Meetup/Minneapolis. — Knowledge Seeker দ 04:06, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New Golden mean vs old Golden Mean article conflict

Dear Angela:

I am a newbie Wikipedian, so please forgive me if this message to you is out of place. If I am reading the page History correctly, you created a new Golden mean article that redirects to Golden ratio. Are you aware that there is already an article named Golden Mean (note the difference in capitalization)? The latter has been proposed for deletion, discussion of which began just 2 days ago at Articles for deletion/Golden Mean. The discussion there, and debate, centers around whether the old Golden Mean article (not your new redirect) should be merged with Golden ratio. The outside world uses the term golden mean in two very different senses, both of which go back to the Classical era:

  • In a philosophical (or Goldilocks) sense to mean essentially "not too much, not too little". That sense is the principal topic of the old Golden Mean article.
  • As a synonym for the golden ratio, a mathematical topic that has implications for aesthetics. That sense is the sole topic of the the Golden ratio article and is the only meaning of golden ratio.

Because of your creation of the new Golden mean redirect page, I wanted to call these issues to your attention, although you may already be aware of them. Further, as a courtesey, I wanted to let you know that I posted a new topic on Articles for deletion/Golden Mean, which I quote in full below. Again, I apologize if this lengthy post to your Talk page is out of order. I am trying to learn the ropes here. Finell 22:00, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Now there is a new Golden mean article that is solely a redirect to Golden ratio in addition to the present Golden Mean article (note the difference in capitalization) being discussed here (which no one will find in a search now unless they capitalize Mean). Talk about a need for disambiguation! Angela, a Board of Trustees member, apparently created the new Golden mean redirect page. I will leave a note on her Talk page. Finell 20:55, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't remember why I moved the page to that title. I have no opinion on whether it needs deleting. Angela 14:56, 6 October 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Bureaucrat for Ar_Wikipedia

Hi Angela ... i wanna ask u again when the suspension of Steward status would finish , i have applied an application for giving user:oxydo in ar_wikipedia a bureaurat status but unfortunately they deactivate the requests page after few days , we need making oxydo as bureaucrat cause the current bureaucrat is totally inactive ... please just inform the date when u can checked my application again ..many Thanks --Unfinishedchaos 08:45, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, but I've no idea when the feature will be reactivated. Angela 14:58, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
This is working again now, so you can leave a request at meta:requests for permissions if you still want this. Angela. 17:00, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

it has been done already .. thanks alot and sorry for late reply --Unfinishedchaos 16:45, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki Project name: where to change?

Hi, Angela. At Ka, the project name/namespace is still the default name Wikipedia. I would like to change it to the georgian correspondant ვიკიპედია. As I read in m:MediaWiki localisation#Modifying_files, talking about changing the LangXX.php file, they say:

Don't include Wikimedia or Wikipedia-isms in the file, this includes: 
* Not hardcoding "Wikipedia" or its local spelling everywhere. These language files are used
 for every MediaWiki wiki, including all of our projects at Wikimedia and third-party users.
 Use Meta for the name and either the default 'Project:' or 'Meta' for the link namespace.

What exactly is use Meta for the matter? I searched all the MediaWiki messages but I found none to be the project name. Can you be so kind to tell me where I can change it?

Thanks and regards, Malafaya 09:44, 7 October 2005 (UTC) (talk@ka)

It means call "namespace 4" meta or project (or a translation of that) instead of calling it "Wikipedia". The name should be something that distinguishes the encyclopedia from the community pages. If you just want a namespace changed, it's easier to request that in bugzilla than to create a whole language file. Angela. 17:00, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, to tell you the truth, that bug is in Bugzilla since 2005-05-07 (check bug 2103) and still it's there pending. I thought I could change something in the site myself to be quicker but apparently I cannot. Thanks anyway, ka:User:Malafaya 22:50, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Information

Hullo Angela. I know you are no longer involved in WikiSource, but you might care to know about this discussion on Scriptorium. [13] Any comments you might care to make will be gratefully received, I am sure. Kind regards. Apwoolrich 18:39, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing it out. Angela. 17:00, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] At PT

Hello Angela, I don't know if here's the right place, but I know that you're the right person: Please remove my sysop status at PT Wikipedia. I'll make the request on your PT page also. Thank you very much, Regards. Juntas 01:08, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

This isn't possible rigt now since steward functions have been disabled. I don"t know when they are going to re-enabled. If you leave a note at meta:requests for permissions, it might get done eventually. Angela (I have no tilde key - it's about October 8th, 10pm)
Well, thank you anyway. Juntas 01:14, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Actually, this has been fixed since I was away, so you can leave a request at meta:requests for permissions if you still want this. Angela. 17:00, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
Thank you Angela, it's already done. Juntas 23:18, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] PL cleanup 'Lungi' article

Angela, Pl clean up the article on 'lungi'

PeaSea

Adding a cleanup message might be better than asking me. :) Angela. 17:00, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Automatically signing messages

Is there a way of adding ~~~~ to Template:Test? Angela. 00:13, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Nope. Just write {{subst:test}} -- ~~~~. -- Tim Starling 00:19, Dec 8, 2003 (UTC)
Ok, thanks Tim. Angela. 01:33, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)~

WRONG there is a way of doign this. use my templates for vandalism {{subst:vw}} To make this kind of template: If it says ` do that with shift

  1. Go to Preferences
  2. enable raw nicknames
  3. change your nickname to ````
  4. add the place you want the signature --```

-- Adam1213 06:43, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Er..right. But my message was 2 years ago, before raw signatures were possible. I'm not convinced I'd want to change my nickname to ````. :) Angela. 17:00, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
Adam is incorrect. The behaviour he describes relies upon exploiting a pug in the software which could lead to all sorts of problems. His versions of the template are up for deletion, and I'll briefly point out that there is clear consensus for there not to be auto-sign in any situation. Rob Church Talk | FAHD 20:12, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation Mailing List...

Hello Improv, Angela, and Anthere. I was just wondering... I haven't gotten a digest for about a week. Would it be alright if I were to become an admin on the mailing list, as I haven't see you three around lately :-/ Comments appreciated. Redwolf24 (talk) 23:17, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] User Categorisation

You were listed on the Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Europe page as living in or being associated with Europe. As part of the Wikipedia:User categorisation project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please visit Category:Wikipedians in Europe for instructions.--Rmky87 23:24, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Since Category:UK Wikipedians is being deprecated and I'm not a Wikipedian in the United Kingdom, the Europe one makes most sense for now. Angela. 00:08, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Re:Mailing List

Well this is certainly strange. Its not in my junk mail, I've been checking that, and its not in my inbox since I got no new messages... And sorry, I thought that the admins sent out the digest. I'll just change to get every message in the meantime. Sorry to bug you. Redwolf24 (talk) 23:28, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

No problem. Angela. 00:08, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] You have been awarded with the Silver Medal of MRAA

You may want to check my user-page, to find out how you won the Silver Medal (fifth in rank) of the "Most Reverted Admin Award". Any objections are welcome. Most reverted admin award 10:03, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikisearch?

What happened to www.wikisearch.org? I always enjoyed browsing that and seeing if you'd updated. :) --Golbez 14:57, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Er... good question. Erik was going to host it, but I guess he never got round to it. The site was a mess anyway and hardly ever updated. If you want to read about wikis, Signpost and Quarto are better places to do that. If you want to read about search, then I tend to update the Google Wiki more than I ever updated that blog. I think Erik still has the files, so it might be rescuable, but he's away at the moment. Angela. 18:07, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] vec.wikipedia

Hi Angela! May you help me for the vec.wikipedia's creation (meta:Approved requests for new languages/Venetian? Thank you. Skafa, 12 October 2005

Sorry, I can't create new languages. You need a developer, and not one with only CVS access. Angela.


[edit] Wikimedia Foundation's website account

Hi, Angela

I am Rami Tarawneh, a sysop at Arabic wikipedia, I applied for an account at Wikimedia Foundation's website four days ago. I don't know if I should call you or not about this matter.

Anyway, it is only a three hours ride from Bremen to Berlin, so if I don't hear a replay from you soon, I will just come in person. ;-)

You can contact me in my discussion page. --Tarawneh 04:05, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

This is done now. You should get the password by email. Angela. 01:23, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Got it, Thanks, you saved me a trip to Berlin. ;-) --Tarawneh 03:14, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Your Opinion?

Hello Angela. I am a recent arrival to wikipedia. I am a resident physician in internal medicine in Portland, Oregon. On stumbling upon wikipedia, I was impressed by its potential. I read your words on eventualism. It made me think about the potential of WP as a resource and as a motivator of postive social change. Recently, I have been hanging out in the Articles for Deletion section. The discussion going on at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chepstow Comprehensive School draws interesting connections with regards to your views on eventualism and WP's potential. I was wondering if you would be willing to offer an opinion. Thanks. Gaff 06:45, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

I commented on the schools issue at Wikipedia:Deletion policy/schools a long time ago. I don't think there's much point rehashing the argument on AfD every day. Angela. 01:23, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wow

Impressive resume, have a barnstar

Image:Barnstar3.png

Take care, Molotov (talk)
00:55, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you! Angela.

[edit] Brazil

Hello Angela, since you're among the most respected wikipedians out there, I have a question for you. As of late, the Brazil entry has been going a number of modifications regarding it's poverty section. To summarize, that section provided a very NPOV analyses of the roots of poverty, so after a bit of discussion, we decided it would be best to remove the NPOV analyses, maintaining only the basic facts (which has happened, albeit due to the one sided actions of a user...). We where thinking of creating a new page were we could present different POV's analyses, explicitly stating that they are POV (after all, NPOV in such things is near impossible), so what do you think? Cheers, --Vertigo200 13:26, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Hello, sorry to bother you again, but as I see it, there is a serious problem in this case, because there are some many different POV's, all of which can be dully supported by experts. The problem lies with the fact that practically any area of study of humanities (which, obviously, includes anything from economics, sociology, history...) can legitimately present their own analyses on the question in hand ("Roots and causes of Brazilian / 3rd world poverty"), using their respective lines of thought, and come to completely different conclusions. Worse, within each field, there are innumerous experts (who can be called as such within the definitions presented in the tutorial) who will disagree with each other! In such a multitude of opinions, it would seem impossible to manage to produce something that could be considered NPOV for such a question. If that is the case, then perhaps would it be better to simply not include any such analyses within the article and maintain only the readily agreed facts? In all honesty, if the NPOV is to be maintained, I can’t see any other solution... Thanks for the help.--Vertigo200
Also, this type of question manages to mix politics and science into one big confusing mess.... so what type of criteria should one use to distinguish were the politics / opinions begin and were the science ends?--Vertigo200 14:36, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
(replied at User talk:Vertigo200)

[edit] Virtual Tour sister project

I've started a proposal page for a sister project called "Wikitour" that would lend itself directly to Wikipedia. Whereas Commons hosts individual images of places that have articles on Wikipedia, Wikitour would host "virtual tours" of these places, such as castles, museums, galleries, caverns, mountains, college campuses, typical mosques or churches, archaeological sites, etc.

The basic idea is as follows: a user submits numerous photos of a notable place, which are organized into pages/subpages to create a navigable environment similar to that in Myst, Riven, or graphical adventures; the navigation system would be on Wikitour, while the files themselves would be on Commons, with a link in the respective article on WP; Basically, any topic that has an article on Wikipedia has the possibility of its own entry in Wikitour. Users could also submit photos of an object from various sides/angles/distances, rather than a place.

Please leave your impressions/suggestions at Talk:Wikitour. Thanks. — Brian0918 20:13, October 21, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Counter Vandalism Unit

Image:CVU2.PNG

Hi, I know you guys already gave me permission to use the wikimedia and wikipedia logos to be used on the CVU images. Several users appear to have concers if I actualy got the permission or not. It might be best for you to mention that I/We have permission to use the wikipedia/wikimedia logos on wikipedia.

Hope this makes some sense. --Cool Cat Talk 19:26, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

The Board has no policy on this yet, though it is under discussion right now. My latest email on this topic mentioned the logos you'd made (along with many other examples), noting that the CVU logo is now widely in use, with no conclusion from the Board, and that I didn't think it was an issue based on past precedents. No comments were made in response to this to suggest these logos were not ok. I can't give you "Board approval" since the Board has no official logo use policy yet, but I can say no one on the Board has objected to Image:CVU2.PNG. This shouldn't be taken to mean we don't have objections to other modified versions of the logo, especially ones which might suggest an inappropriate relationship with Wikimedia. Angela. 20:09, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
I would like to raise a big "Umm... that's bad" to this. The images are being used, among other things, for WP:DEFCON, on Template:Supertroll, and on infoboxes like the one found on User:Mr Treason to suggest that there is Foundation support for recommendations of database locks, accusations of sockpuppetry, a sort of Wikipedia "terror alert" system, and the gathering of "intel" on users. If the CVU wants to engage in this, I merely think they're silly - but I have some serious problems if the Foundation is engaging in this kind of rhetoric, and branding the CVU images with "Wikimedia Foundation" clearly communicates the message that they are. Snowspinner 02:47, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Ok, whatever comments I'd given before were based on the assumption that these logos were for use on user pages. Obviously the logo should never be used to imply Foundation support for something that we've not expressed support for, nor for implying the Foundation is involved in something it's not, like the blocking of users. The closest thing we have to a draft policy is meta:Logo and trademark policy, but it currently says very little about logos and nothing about modified versions of logos. It would be useful to document the problems arising with these CVU images there so the policy can take this into account. Angela. 05:21, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification - what should be done with the images for now, then? Should they be removed from templates, the WP:DEFCON page, and the like? Snowspinner 05:59, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I think that would be the best step right now. Angela. 06:17, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Done. I also added an explanation of the issue to the page you linked to, and raised an arbcom request, since a local solution as opposed to a Foundation intervention is probably preferable. Snowspinner 06:29, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

My answer when I was asked may be found here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anthere#Couter_Vandalism_Unit Anthere 07:10, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Village Pump

Thanks Angela, I don't know what I was thinking :-( Your help is greatly appreciated! - Ta bu shi da yu 08:22, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Commons Logo

Hi Angela,

I hope you don't mind, but I updated the Commons logo on your user page. The *.png file was deleted today because it was redundant with the *.svg file. -- Psy guy (talk) 12:51, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for telling me, but the image was certainly not redundant. The check usage tool shows it was in use in over 1500 pages on three Wikipedias alone. Angela. 14:53, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] About Wikipedia logo

Since logos ara subject of these days, I also wanted to ask a question. Tr wikipedia is getting close to 10,000 article. And community wants to put this news into our Main Page. One guy propesed a picture, which is basically picture of "10,000" , but he used wikipedia logo as zeros. I know wikipedia logo is copyrighted but I was wondering if this type of usage in wikimedia sites is allowed or not. If not is there a way to get permission. Or any other suggestion. Thanks in advance --User:Dbl2010 17:03, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sure that's fine. Many other Wikipedias have done similar things. There's no logo use policy, so I can't give an "official" answer, but for the purpose of highlighting a milestone in this way, precendent would suggest it's not problematic. Angela. 14:25, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Bounty Board

Angela,

I've been thinking for a while about starting a Wikipedia:Bounty board, where people put up monetary bounties for articles to become featured, but where the money all goes to the Wikimedia Foundation if the conditions are met. I have a draft at User:Quadell/bounty.

It seems to me that the positives would be that it would encourage donations and encourage the creation of featured articles, and it would fill a gap - that people tend to look for a psychological "reward" when they've worked hard for Wikipedia. But my questions are: 1, Do you think there are any legal problems with this? 2, Do you think this goes against the Wiki philosophy? And 3, Do you see any other problems? (I'm asking several long-term and knowlegeable Wikipedian about this.)

Thanks for your input, – Quadell (talk) 17:54, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

replied at Wikipedia talk:Bounty board. Angela


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