User talk:Andrew Sly

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You should also feel free to drop me a question on my talk page. Happy editing, LUDRAMAN | T 20:28, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Pride and Prejudice

I'm just wondering why you put all of the paragraphs together in the Pride and Prejudice article? It seems less readable to me this way. --Spikey 21:46, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

My apologies, that was not intentional. All I intended to change was the Project Gutenberg link. I suspect my browser is the culprit here, in how it handles form entries. Andrew Sly 22:40, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

No harm, no foul. I wonder why it does that, though. Anyway, I've fixed it. Thanks for responding so quickly! --Spikey 01:33, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Project Gutenberg

I saw your edit to my user talk page before you removed it so I'm puzzled as to why you removed it immediately? This is what I was adding when I hit an edit conflict:

I did not revert to an earlier version, according to my memory of the edit and also according to the page history. The current version I see has the specific links in it as I would expect after my edit. Either I'm not understanding what you are saying or maybe there's a caching issue? RedWolf 07:48, Apr 30, 2004 (UTC)

When I went to view the article, I saw an older form of it (before the sentence about languages was added) I did other things for five minutes then reloaded and still got the older version. Then I checked the page history and somewhat hastily left a message on your talk page. Just after that, I saw the line about languages was back, and went back to delete my redundant question. Hope that helps, Andrew Sly 09:29, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] New Article

Hi, just read the article, and it was quite good--very interesting, and well written. Just one note--the title always goes in bold, unless it would be italicized in ordinary use, in which case it gets bolded and italicized, using five little marks, not just three. Oh, and one question--could it be compared to Garrison Keiler's Lake Woebegone, if you've heard of those? I was thinking of putting it in the article, but you would know better than me. Yours, Meelar 02:14, 10 May 2004 (UTC) P.S. If you put some text on your user page, it makes it easier for people to get to your talk.

Hi, I just read the article as well. It's good.  :) The only thing that struck me is that it's quite complimentary and the point of view isn't really ascribed to the people who hold it. Have a read of Wikipedia:Avoid weasel terms and Wikipedia:Avoid peacock terms, they'll explain what I mean better than I can. But these are subtle points, I only raise them because you've a very good start of an article there.  :) fabiform | talk 15:44, 10 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)


[edit] Gutenberg Links

Hi. Yes, I know. I /think/ I tend to use canonical links when linking to an author or book from within an article (well, maybe), but I tend to be too lazy when I'm stealing images for the wiki, such as PG1 PG2 and PG3 ... the links back to PG from the image files are non canonical. I will sometime transfer all of the images to the Commons (probably) and fix the links then. (Probably)

How exactly are you going about your stated mission of " providing links to PG texts". I'm systematically going through PG boks looking for images which would grace the wiki, but would be interested in the same systematic approach to ensuring that the wiki links to PG authors & books: possibly it is worth exploring whether a wikipedi project dedicated to links with PG should be put together?

Finally, how well do you understand the workings of the PG end; for instance, have you any knowledge of how to get links back to WP from PG author pages (some have links to the WP author page, some have not. best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)

What is the best way to seek to get possible errors in Gutenberg texts looked at. I'm going thru the Notes and Queries publications. The edition indexed as No.11 says it is No. 9 (in the main header text, to the left of the date)... there is however a more legitimate candidate for No .9, leading me to believe there has been an error. I note that the origianl publication might have been misnumbered; or else there has been a proofreading or compositing snafu. You seemed like a good candidate to discuss this with. --Tagishsimon (talk)

See new template: template:gutenberg author --Eoghanacht 15:47, 2005 Apr 25 (UTC)

I am glad you like the template, at least enough to use it. I added it to the first several author's listed on Gutenberg's "Top 100"—seemed like a good place to start. --Eoghanacht 01:56, 2005 May 1 (UTC)

Since you have used the new template:gutenberg author, I thought you might have an opinion on its visual format. template:gutenberg is set up so that the link is the entire phrase Free eBook of {{{name}}}. But I set up gutenberg author such that "Works by" is not part of the link. The link right now is just {{{name}}}. Do you think the link at gutenberg author is fine as-is, or should it be changed to Works by {{{name}}}? --Eoghanacht 20:21, 2005 May 2 (UTC)

I changed the template. I figured it would be better this way, but wanted a second opinion. I can't say I like the way template:gutenberg looks either, but I did not write it, so am hesitant to make a change. Perhaps you can bring up you ideas at Template talk:Gutenberg? --Eoghanacht 12:47, 2005 May 3 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia/Project Gutenberg links

Hi, IMHO a big help would be a PG authors list, automatically created once in a while, in "wikipedia notation". It took me quite a while to fetch the author lists from PG, then regexp the PG "Last, (First) Initials"-style PG list into the wikipedia-style "First Last" lists. So, if this could be done by PG, maybe with the birth/death years where available, that would be great. A little script could then filter out all authors that already contain a "gutenberg author" template on wikipedia. But, this will be only helpful for updating the lists in the future, they're fine for now.

I noticed some links that show up as existing in wikipedia, but are actually not about the PG author with that name. So, I'm afaid we can't run a bot on wikipedia to introduce "gutenberg author" templates, unless it could check the birth/death years as well.

So, the best way to get things rolling is probably to make the lists more widely known, and emphasize that these authors are worth writing about, as they obviously have created something that was worth to be included in Project Gutenberg. I, for one, will get back to tagging the existing authors soon.

Last not least, if there'd be a collection of biographies at PG which we could use as a working basis, as we do with the 1911 Britannica, that would be great. I could even generate another crossover list, so one can see with a glance which biographies are (a) wanted for PG and (b) available at PG. In case there is no such work at PG as of now, you now know what to look for ;-) --Magnus Manske 21:04, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Temp Valentine Chirol info

Born May 28 1852; died Oct 22, 1929 Son of Reverend Alexander Chirol Harriet Chirol (Nee Ashburnham)

Educated mostly in France and Germany. Clerk in foreign office 1872-1876 Succeeded Donald Mackenzie Wallace as director of foreign department of The Times in 1899; retired in 1912

Twixt Greek and Turk (1881); Cecil Spring-Rice: In Memoriam (1919); Indian Unrest (1910); Fifty years in a changing World (1927); With Pen and Brush in Eastern Lands (1927)

[edit] Wikipedia/Project Gutenberg links (2)

Hi, I will check out the XML file to search for author names on the next update, thanks.

While not all PG authors might be noteworthy anough for Wikipedia, many of them are. Even so, we know that the author

  • existed
  • his/her name
  • maybe year of birth and death
  • that he/she wrote a book that was actually printed

That's more than some of the stubs I've seen around here ;-)

You wrote "No, we do not make biographies of authors at Project Gutenberg.", which means I was unclear in my above answer. I meant if there are any books with biographies on PG. I already found some by searching for "biographies" at your site.

I have changed the "gutenberg author" template to include a new category, category:Gutenberg author list. All new additions (and refreshes of th old ones) of this template will show the articles. You can also try this list of "what links to the template".

Personally, I prefer to just link to your "list of works" for an author, rather than linting individual links explicitly here. This avoids having to keep two lists, one at PG and one at wikipedia, which will get out of sync as soon as PG adds new works.

"Weblinks" or "External links" - I didn't even know we have a policy on that one ;-) I don't really care, so I'll try to use "External links" instead. If this is important, someone should write a bot to replace one with the other.

Magnus Manske 07:56, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Further discussion : Sure, go ahead an remove the category, if it doesn't help. Less stress on the system :-) Also, I don't know a wikipedia-internal way to show the recent additions on the "What links here" page; however, you could store a version of this list (that you have completely checked) in a file or a wikipedia page, and run a diff; then, go over the changed entries and store the new version. Like a "manual recent changes". --Magnus Manske 22:27, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia/Gutenberg comparison links

I have written a little script and added links to it on Wikipedia:Project Gutenberg author list/Page 04. It should ease the comparison between the Wikipedia article and the Gutenberg entry. Note that the "Compare" link only covers the first wikipedia link, so that "first name or second name" only uses "first name" as a basis for the "Compare" link.

Please tell me if I should enhance the other Project Gutenberg author list pages as well, or if you see any problems/improvements for this. --Magnus Manske 12:03, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gut Templates

However, I though I'd mentioned that I've deleted the template that you had added to James Baldwin (writer).

Thanks -- I was trying to double-check all of the names and dates, but I must have flubbed up with that one. Thanks for catching it. Womble 00:55, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Harrie Irving Hancock

It doesn't really matter to me where the article resides; I can move iut mack if the other form is more common. --Magnus Manske 12:08, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Huysmans

Hi, while going through the Gutenberg author list, I noticed that PG has two separate entries, "Joris Karl Huysmans" and "Joris-Karl Huysmans", both with the same birth/death year. Probably the same guy; as you are a PG editor, I thought you might like to fix that. --Magnus Manske 09:52, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] PG list pruning

Hi, just letting you know that I'm pretty much done with the initial pruning of the Project Gutenberg author list. Turns out that we had about 1/3 of the PG authors covered. This might be a good time for you to check backlinks from PG to Wikipedia.

Also, I was wondering if you could generate a list of authors Wikipedia does not cover, sorted by "relevance". "Relevance" could mean the number of works of an author at PG, or how popular the works of this author at PG are (number of downloads), or something else entirely. Otherwise, I'll check around for lists of "important" writers on the net, which I can cross-check against the PG author list. --Magnus Manske 12:18, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Margaret E. Burton

You're correct about her middle name being Ernestine, not Elizabeth. I can't find again where I came across the wrong information before, but I had searched for her before creating the article and saw "Margaret Elizabeth Burton" in association with a book she'd written (and no Ernestine references, though there are plenty now).

Apparently she also authored The Assembly of the League of Nations in 1941, and according to here and here, it looks like she lived to 22 January 1969.

I'm wondering though if it should just be moved to "Margaret E. Burton", as that's the name most commonly used. I'll let you decide. Thanks for finding my mistake.

-- Everlong 11:39, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gutenberg list

Hi, and thanks for the list. I put it up here, feel free to add more :-) I also could prune one from the list already (Ralph Connor)! --Magnus Manske 10:38, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Automatic dates at PG

Hi, while pruning the PG authors again, I thought about a neat task for a bot: For every author entry at PG that has a link to Wikipedia, but misses birth and/or death year, scan the source of the Wikipedia article for "[[category:XXXX births" and "[[category:XXXX deaths", and add the found years. Just an idea. --Magnus Manske 22:08, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can't Commit

hi, i saw your note on my discussion page, and i have to politely decline, due to time constraints. thank you for the offer. Chensiyuan 15:06, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alexander St. Clair-Abrams

This is most certainly him! He was affiliated with the Daily Intelligencer which printed it and he was in Atlanta during the war. Thank you for the pointer Jolomo 19:02, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adding a link to Chinese Wikipedia

I have added the link. [1] -- Felix Wan 02:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Jean-Henri Fabre in Gutenberg Catalog

I notice Jean-Henri Fabre's latest accession to Gutenberg (etext 18350) is cataloged under J.H. Fabre, instead of Jean-Henri Fabre like the rest. Is this the kind of thing you can fix, if someone hasn't already done so? (Or let me know where such things can be logged.) William Avery 11:50, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mary Frances Cusack

Hi Andrew, you created Mary Frances Cusack in Jan, I suggest that the content and links from Mary Kusack be moved into it because she is the same person, but more commonly known - in Kenmare as Mary Cusack.--Rye1967 21:41, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help on this, I have now completed the task. --Rye1967 07:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Problem bypassing a PG disambig.

I backlinked Works by Edward Tyson at Project Gutenberg

From the Edward Tyson article.

Unfortunately, this causes PG to display a disambig page. I tried every random syntactical trick I could to bypass the disambig and go directly to "Tyson, Edward" but nothing worked. Do you have a solution?

Thanks -Arch dude 00:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

  • You responded:
    • I've checked that this is the same "Edward Tyson", and yes, it does appear to be. So I've added his birth and death dates in the PG catalog, (they will not be visible until tomorrow) and used them to disambig the PG link. Andrew Sly 01:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Thanks! Not only are they "the same", but the Gutenberg work is from 1894 and republishes Tyson's much earlier work, but with a really nice short biography in the introduction. Therefore, it's a better secondary source for Tyson than the source for the original Wikipedia article, so I added a bit to the Tyson article. I am basically going through the "missing" list and checking each existing Wikipedia article for a match. I've done perhaps 50 so far. Perhaps five of them have been complicated for one reason or another. Based on a comment you made on another talk page, I am removing items from the list when I can make a link from the correct Wikipedia article when I must select among a set of possible authors based on a Wikipedia disambig. (example: David Walker --> David Walker (abolitionist))-Arch dude 01:38, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PG aliases (Williamson)

Hi, Andrew.

On PG, we have the following four authors:

  • Williamson, Alice Muriel, -1933
  • Williamson, A. M.
  • Williamson, Charles Norris, 1859-1920
  • Williamson, C. N.

In fact, the first two are the same person, and the second two are the same person. The two separate peopl;e are husband and wife, and they co-authored most of their respective books. You can cross-check this on Amazon. You can even cross-check by looking at the title pages on Gutenberg, e.g. Look at http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/15014 where the actual transcribed text is:

WINNIE CHILDS

THE SHOP GIRL

BY

C. N. & A. M. WILLIAMSON


If you care to correct this at PG, I can deal with the Wikipedia side. Thanks. -Arch dude 22:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] another PG Alias: Mrs. Henry Wood

Please look at:

  • Wood, Henry, Mrs., 1814-1887
  • Wood, Mrs. Henry

Same, I think.

The WP page is Ellen Wood (author)

where I put this link Works by Mrs. Henry Wood at Project Gutenberg that gets the PG disambig.

Thanks. - Arch dude 00:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

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