Talk:Andries Pretorius

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--69.111.36.157 05:34, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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The word "treacherously" was removed as PoV. It should instead be replaced by something like "in a ruse that involved false assurances of saftey" (pretty much objective treachery) that is more informative, by somebody who knows what the facutal basis is. We can't tell if it was PoV, but it is unencyclopedic when thrown out w/o any background.

On the other hand, did the king have the fatal weapon in his hand, as the article states? Or is it merely established that it was done on his orders? Ordering a murder is murder, but ordering a killing is not killing.

Probably the whole article needs cleanup.
--Jerzy·t 22:00, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Umm, I have subsequently replaced the text with something that should be more neutral ("under treacherous circumstances"), although this could be bettered. However, I don't agree with your addition of the whole "article cleanup" notice -- I think that its standard is already higher than most articles to which said notice gets applied. If you have some specific points you'd like addressed, please feel free to mention it, but otherwise I will probably remove the notice after having gone through the article again. Dewet 22:41, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Does anyone know where I can find speeches, letters or any primary source BY pretorius?